Originally posted by FrothByteKt has really outdone himself. What I mean by outdone himself is in terms of humiliating himself. He makes no sense and just continues to be a walking disaster.
Based from our discussions, I think it's obvious who hasn't been in a fight. After all, weren't you the guy that said being able to catch a fast moving object automatically means you can punch fast?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you're avoiding debating the subject then? You are questioning whether Ozy is a smart fighter. Well, let's compare how they've done in fights and who appears smarter. Your turn. Or let me guess, you'll run and hide or ask me another question like usual
You're not debating, you're speculating and then claiming victory where none exists.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Don't turn this around on me. I'm merely showing you that brain activity doesn't equate to thinking.There's something called a reaction. Reflex. Your hand gets pricked, reflex is to pull it away. That doesn't need a thought process.
When someone tries to tackle your legs and you sprawl to counter that, it can either be a thought process i.e. "He's going for my legs, thus I need to go low" or it can be a reflex where as soon as someone goes for your legs, your automatic response is to sprawl. If someone has trained properly and has done so frequently enough, the reaction should happen without thought process.
I never said there is no thinking involved in a fight, just that there is minimal thinking. Because thinking about every single movement you do is going to slow you down immensely. Most of your movements need to be drilled hard enough into you to be reflexive, otherwise you'll never win a fight against a decent fighter.
But then had you actually ever tried being in a real fight you wouldn't have needed this explained to you.
I quoted you numerous times exposing your lack of knowledge on the subject. Which you didn't respond to as expected. They clearly demonstrate a lack of basic understanding of how the brain works and how a fight plays out. Your quotes illustrate your lack of knowledge on the subject.
Further, you then tried to compare breathing and the brain, to a fight and the brain. They are two totally different things. I mean they aren't even vaguely similar. That is the level you don't comprehend these subjects.
Somehow, when I'm right, and you're blatantly wrong, that means I have no experience in the subject? That's rich coming from you. What this thread does do, is illustrate your complete lack of knowledge on the subject and experience in actual fights. It's funny to, because you then later agree with me and go yeah, there is some thinking involved, it's just not much. DUMHHH that is exactly what I've been saying there IS thinking involved here. I never said how much or to what degree, but to think a super genius, who also happens to be WS superior in skill couldn't use his brain in a fight was laughable. Hence the discussion. Seems you agree with me, finally, there are thought process involved in a fight.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You're not debating, you're speculating and then claiming victory where none exists.
Just as expected. However, let me hold your hand here and watch you not answer again.
Was WS caught in a noob level move by Cap and put to sleep?
Please cite for me the time Ozy was caught in a noob level move and put to sleep?
Ready, set, go...
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This is why nobody takes you serious. Think about it, nobody is saying a weakling can always beat a stud. That isn't going on in this thread we are discussing shortbus. Ozy is clearly in WS league, he's not Thomas Edison shortbus. He's jumped further and higher than WS ever has. He's reacted faster than Bucky has ever shown to react. Both in arm movement and eye tracking. He's kicked someone farther than WS ever has. There is some dispute on this, but most have concluded they are hard to compare. I think they aren't, but whatever, everybody concedes they are in the ballpark. He's also vastly smarter as we've seen. He's also thrown somebody further than Bucky ever has. That is just some of the things. So all these things point to one thing.. if you wanna call bucky a superman human.. than you'd have to call Ozy that to. Then if we call them the same thing, though there are varying degrees in that, but they are the same league. So no shortbus, that isn't the analogy you described. Don't you get this is why you're laughed at and called the worst debater on here?
Notice how you completely avoided this destruction LMAO. Owned
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I quoted you numerous times exposing your lack of knowledge on the subject. Which you didn't respond to as expected. They clearly demonstrate a lack of basic understanding of how the brain works and how a fight plays out. Your quotes illustrate your lack of knowledge on the subject.Further, you then tried to compare breathing and the brain, to a fight and the brain. They are two totally different things. I mean they aren't even vaguely similar. That is the level you don't comprehend these subjects.
Somehow, when I'm right, and you're blatantly wrong, that means I have no experience in the subject? That's rich coming from you. What this thread does do, is illustrate your complete lack of knowledge on the subject and experience in actual fights. It's funny to, because you then later agree with me and go yeah, there is some thinking involved, it's just not much. DUMHHH that is exactly what I've been saying there IS thinking involved here. I never said how much or to what degree, but to think a super genius, who also happens to be WS superior in skill couldn't use his brain in a fight was laughable. Hence the discussion. Seems you agree with me, finally, there are thought process involved in a fight.
I hope someday you realize the irony in your posts... how you accuse me of doing exactly what you're doing, which is never directly replying to what I post.
I mentioned brain and breathing to prove to you that not every brain process involves thinking. What did you do? Duck around it and say that I'm equating breathing with fighting (which I actually never did).
I mentioned how thinking about the action you need to do in a fight is different from reflexively doing the action. What did you do? Completely ignore it.
I asked you to look into the dictionary definition of "thinking", what did you do? Yup, completely ignored it again.
I mentioned how repeated training of an action allows the body to do it automatically without thought. Yup, you ignored that as well.
Anyway, it's become blatantly obvious that you know nothing about what happens in an actual fight. Very few people have actually been in real fights, and there's nothing wrong about that. What's wrong is when they try to sound knowledgeable on something they've never tried, depending instead on some kind of fantasy knowledge of what they think should happen in a fight.
You, good fellow, have obviously never been in a fight. Stop pretending like you know what you're talking about. You think punching speed and power are dependent on arm muscles. You think that you have the time to think and ponder every attack and defense you make. You think that blocking a hit equates to intelligence. You don't even seem to understand the difference between general intelligence and fighting smart. Jeeze, I hope you never get in to a fight.
In any case, I'm done debating with you in this manner. We've sidetracked this thread long enough. Ozy isn't even in this fight. One day when you've actually tried to be in a fight you'll understand all the points I discussed.
Originally posted by FrothByteIn complete honesty I have yet to see him back a single claim and most of the time he doesn't even understand his own points let alone others. The only reason people entertain his stupidity is due to the overall inactivity of the board.
Somehow I keep getting suckered into his debates. I really should know better by now.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Actually, none of DS's feats in the movie prove that his aim is that much higher than WS. He shot stationary targets in the head. He shot slow moving targets in the head. He made an awesome bounce shot in a place that he had pre scouted and prepared for.He never shot at a target that was actively trying to dodge around his gunfire or trade fire with a decent shot.
I'm giving DS the benefit of the doubt that he doesn't miss solely on what his file said and what I know of his character. But if I didn't know who he was and based it solely on his movie feats, it wouldn't be really all that.
Dead's greatest feat is leagues above anything bucky has shown... that alone proves his aim is drastically better. Suddenly deadshot will be become a chump cuz his target is moving? The sheer speed he was adjusting and moving from target to target back and forth is a feat on its own. From what we have seen of bucky, he has no chance of hitting hole for hole every shot on those stationary targets. Lol don't dare say Floyd's aim isnt that far off from Bucky. The only one who has chance at dead aim wise is Hawkeye. And at 100m away, unless bucky has some porting abilities, I see no reason why Floyd will suddenly not be able to pin him down or even lead him if buck starts running. He could honestly fire off 5 shots in on buckys left and right sides, leading wherevery he decides to strafe and hit him clean. The question is whether he will clip bucky, the question is whether bucky is good enough to hit him first and honestly...from the bridge to the ground he was spraying at widow and couldnt hit her once. At this distance in this scenario..it's deadshot fight to lose.
Originally posted by wallman77
Dead's greatest feat is leagues above anything bucky has shown... that alone proves his aim is drastically better. Suddenly deadshot will be become a jump cuz his target is moving? The sheer speed he was adjusting and moving from target to target back and forth is a feat on its own.
DS shot at stationary targets and slow targets. WS shot at Fury, BW and Cap. The one time DS tried shooting at a decent target it didn't go well for him. His best feat was the bullet bounce and yet even then he was aided by technology and prep.
We are all assuming that DS is the better shot because of what we know about him and what Waller says about him never missing. I do the same, attribute him better aim because of what I know about him.
But if you knew nothing about DS, if it was never mentioned that he doesn't miss, if all you had were his feats: Would you really think he was that much better than WS?
Yeah, probably still better. But MUCH better? I don't think so.
Originally posted by wallman77
Dead's greatest feat is leagues above anything bucky has shown... that alone proves his aim is drastically better. Suddenly deadshot will be become a chump cuz his target is moving? The sheer speed he was adjusting and moving from target to target back and forth is a feat on its own. From what we have seen of bucky, he has no chance of hitting hole for hole every shot on those stationary targets. Lol don't dare say Floyd's aim isnt that far off from Bucky. The only one who has chance at dead aim wise is Hawkeye. And at 100m away, unless bucky has some porting abilities, I see no reason why Floyd will suddenly not be able to pin him down or even lead him if buck starts running. He could honestly fire off 5 shots in on buckys left and right sides, leading wherevery he decides to strafe and hit him clean. The question is whether he will clip bucky, the question is whether bucky is good enough to hit him first and honestly...from the bridge to the ground he was spraying at widow and couldnt hit her once. At this distance in this scenario..it's deadshot fight to lose.
Isn't whether*
Originally posted by FrothByte
DS shot at stationary targets and slow targets. WS shot at Fury, BW and Cap. The one time DS tried shooting at a decent target it didn't go well for him. His best feat was the bullet bounce and yet even then he was aided by technology and prep.We are all assuming that DS is the better shot because of what we know about him and what Waller says about him never missing. I do the same, attribute him better aim because of what I know about him.
But if you knew nothing about DS, if it was never mentioned that he doesn't miss, if all you had were his feats: Would you really think he was that much better than WS?
Yeah, probably still better. But MUCH better? I don't think so.
Lol at "we". There is no assumption in regards to deadshot skill. I don't know shit about dead but from what I saw in the movie and I saw a man put hundreds of rounds in the same hole. You are totally delusional if you think bucky can do that. WS couldnt hit widow with height advamtage and multiple opportunities save once. BW is not some impressive sprinter or bullet timer either. Who was the decent target that DS tried to shot and it didn't go well for him? And don't say incubus or enchantress cuz they were bullet proof. That has no sway in this fight at all.
Originally posted by wallman77
Lol at "we". There is no assumption in regards to deadshot skill. I don't know shit about dead but from what I saw in the movie and I saw a man put hundreds of rounds in the same hole. You are totally delusional if you bucky can do that. Who was the decent target that he tried to shot and it didn't go well for him? And don't say incubus or enchantress cuz they were bullet proof.
Batman. If he had perfect aim he would have shot Batman in the mouth. But Batman was a moving target who was actively fighting him, and he was unable to make the kill shot.
What DS did was very good, don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to lowball him. But let's not pretend that an archer who can hit perfect bullseyes on static targets can easily hit a bullseye everytime when he's hunting fast moving deer.
DS shot at stationary targets at close distance. Targets that weren't fighting back, that weren't moving.
In this fight, not only will WS be moving but he'll be firing back. Most of the time when DS did his nice shots he was standing stock still. How accurate do you think he is when he's running and under fire?
Originally posted by FrothByte
I hope someday you realize the irony in your posts... how you accuse me of doing exactly what you're doing, which is never directly replying to what I post.I mentioned brain and breathing to prove to you that not every brain process involves thinking. What did you do? Duck around it and say that I'm equating breathing with fighting (which I actually never did).
I mentioned how thinking about the action you need to do in a fight is different from reflexively doing the action. What did you do? Completely ignore it.
I asked you to look into the dictionary definition of "thinking", what did you do? Yup, completely ignored it again.
I mentioned how repeated training of an action allows the body to do it automatically without thought. Yup, you ignored that as well.
Anyway, it's become blatantly obvious that you know nothing about what happens in an actual fight. Very few people have actually been in real fights, and there's nothing wrong about that. What's wrong is when they try to sound knowledgeable on something they've never tried, depending instead on some kind of fantasy knowledge of what they think should happen in a fight.
You, good fellow, have obviously never been in a fight. Stop pretending like you know what you're talking about. You think punching speed and power are dependent on arm muscles. You think that you have the time to think and ponder every attack and defense you make. You think that blocking a hit equates to intelligence. You don't even seem to understand the difference between general intelligence and fighting smart. Jeeze, I hope you never get in to a fight.
In any case, I'm done debating with you in this manner. We've sidetracked this thread long enough. Ozy isn't even in this fight. One day when you've actually tried to be in a fight you'll understand all the points I discussed.
Nobody buys your bs bud. It's all there to see. You flat out disputed that intelligence had any impact on a fight. You were totally wrong on that matter. It unquestionably does, and Ozy being a super Genius, means, YES it will come into play in a fight. That's is why you always lose in these types of discussions with me. You started the discussion by arguing that very point. So that's the first place you were wrong.
Then you tried to say that well, being smart is great and all, but again it doesn't mean he's tactically smart or fighting smart. Not only is that comical to even say when talking about Ozy, but while you're trying to defend somebody who's utterly inept then. So what happens then? I proceed to have to cite Ozy's fights and how well he did, while on the contrary, WS has many more instances of being a moron skill wise and tactifully. What happens then? You try and retreat from that stance. There where do we go
Then you try and say well, sure, the brain is involved in that it's sending signals to the arm to move, but there isn't really a thought there or thinking done, it just happens. That is so far away from reality that it's kind of sad to think. The examples you use.. muscle memory.. instincts.. reaction all cause that not a thought WTF LOL. That is comical. You literally have no clue how fast the brain works and process stuff. It's really a lack of knowledge on your part. Are there occasions when there is reflex and no thought there to complete the action, sure, that happens. But that is such a rare thing during a fight it's comical. I would never throw my hat around a premise that only happens rarely, but hey, that's all you bud.
What's funny about that whole thing is, even if we accept your premise that there is no thought process involved what so ever, it's only a auto signal being sent. Then wouldn't your body just start aimlessly swinging? How would it not. If you're not actually telling your arm to punch cause you wanna punch.. then who is? Do you undertand how ridiculous you sound when you actually believe this. However, even it's still just a pulse and no thought process, that is still the brain sending said pulse. Guess what that does? For the third time shoot down one of your stance on how intelligence doesn't matter. I would easily cite that if somebody is a super genius and clearly has superhuman reflex; yeah I'll go out on a limb and say that guy's brain and nervous system sends out signals faster. So even at your extreme level it still gets shots down.
What's worse you then try and act like you've been in fights. Waann know your proof, yeah man, in a fight you don't think it's all instinct reaction and muscle memory. LMAO Jesus man. So you didn't tell your body to punch at that moment, to side step at that moment? Who did? Does somebody control your extremities or something? This is crazy. That proves you been in fights? LMAO. It proves the opposite. If you had, you'd know the examples you use are the exceptions not the rule shortbus. Most people in fights actually think during them. They actually decide I'm going to throw a punch here, side step here, duck here, he's going for a takedown here, he's throwing a punch. I could literally cite 1000's of different things. Your eye's see something and it's nigh instantly processed and in most instances your BRAIN decides the best course of action. As dumb as your sounding now, you must think that whole process takes seconds. Jesus man. You literally have no clue how fast that happens and how fast your brains processes it and reacts. Please read.
Another false claim from froth.. I absolutely addressed those issues. I specifically talked about you bringing up reactions and muscle memory. Then you bring up the think park. Which I addressed nobody is talking about sitting there pondering stuff. I specifically used the word thought numerous times and think. I used them back and forth. I thought it was comical you even thought anhybody was thinking about sitting on tree stump. Jesus man. We are talking about intelligence, ones brain, how fast one can process info, instant thought and reaction. Please don't expect me to address you being a complete clown on the matter. As if anybody was talking about that. Just because you don't understand how fast the eye sees something how fast you PROCESS THAT i.e. a THOUGHT and then how fast you tell your body how to react. As stated above you have no clue.
So what does this all mean? Yes Ozy being a super genius will process info faster and better than WS and easily so. It will matter in a fight, and to pretend otherwise is kind of silly to me. But hey, your froth, nothing new for you. Please respond in your next post about who controls your body and what to do in these MASSIVE amount of fights your in. Is there is a mouse in your pocket?