Deadshot vs Winter Soldier...

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Holy shit, this might be the dumbest post I've seen in a long time. Think about what you just said here... Yes, your brain functions to allow you to punch or kick... then you say, you don't have to think to punch... HOLY SHIT. That is borderline retarded. Of course you have to think about punching to punch. You think that takes 1 minute or something, it happens nigh instantly. Think about the idiocy you're saying here... The way you act, you don't have to think to punch... by the logic, in a fight you just go around doing stuff but wouldn't know what was coming. Your body would just start punching and kicking randomly, even if that isn't what you wanted to do. Do you actually believe that? Jesus H. Christ. I refuse to believe you're this dumb. Every punch, every kick was processed, decided and acted. Every single one. You may not look at it as thinking but that is exactly what it is each and every time. Your body doesn't move unless you tell it to move. If you're punching, that is because you don't your body to punch, which in turn means you thought about punching, after all you punched. You've either clearly never been in a fight in your entire life, or you're too stupid to understand that you're actually thinking about every movement you do in a fight. You seem to get caught up in the word thinking. This doesn't imply you're deep in thought. This time of thinking happens almost instantly. You think of an action and your body carries it out. Make no mistake though, you thought it first.

I guess you never heard about muscle memory, reflexes, reactions and instinct. If you get a mosquito bite and you subconsciously scratch it because it's itchy, did you think about that action?

You don't move your arm to scratch it, unless you told your body to do so. Muscle memory has NOTHING to do with this at all. You have no clue what these terms mean. That term doesn't mean you didn't have to think to punch, it tells you HOW you're going to punch. Through repetition, you learn how to properly punch and the different types of punches. Therefore when you're brain says punch, that is when your muscle memory of HOW to punch will be delivered. That doesn't mean you didn't think about it first. Even what you'd call a fleeting nigh instantaneous thought, is still a thought. Instincts are what allow you to "feel" like your foe is going to try and take you down, and preparing for it. However, the preparing, like keeping your distance, getting ready to sprawl, changing your angle are all thoughts and your brain telling your body how to move according to your instinct. Literally virtually every single movement you do in a fight is because your brain is telling your body to do so. How would it tell it to do so if you hadn't thought that is what you wanted to do. You punching, mean YOU THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO PUNCH THEN. It doesn't just randomly happen. Holy shit, this is really bad man.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You don't move your arm to scratch it, unless you told your body to do so. Muscle memory has NOTHING to do with this at all. You have no clue what these terms mean. That term doesn't mean you didn't have to think to punch, it tells you HOW you're going to punch. Through repetition, you learn how to properly punch and the different types of punches. Therefore when you're brain says punch, that is when your muscle memory of HOW to punch will be delivered. That doesn't mean you didn't think about it first. Even what you'd call a fleeting nigh instantaneous thought, is still a thought. Instincts are what allow you to "feel" like your foe is going to try and take you down, and preparing for it. However, the preparing, like keeping your distance, getting ready to sprawl, changing your angle are all thoughts and your brain telling your body how to move according to your instinct. Literally virtually every single movement you do in a fight is because your brain is telling your body to do so. How would it tell it to do so if you hadn't thought that is what you wanted to do. You punching, mean YOU THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO PUNCH THEN. It doesn't just randomly happen. Holy shit, this is really bad man.

Here you go again changing definitions on the fly. In the beginning, you were referring to Ozy's intelligence. And so when we started debating the meaning of "thinking", I debated with the idea that "thinking" meant when you ponder things, use cause-analysis, you know - the dictionary definition of "think" which is: direct one's mind toward someone or something; use one's mind actively to form connected ideas

Then now that your argument got stomped, you're trying to change the definition of "think" to "any brain activity". That's not the definition of thinking. There's something called a dictionary: Use it.

Because if this is how you define thinking, then a person's intelligence will have nothing to do with it. What, you think a person with a 150 IQ can scratch an itch better than a person with a 100 IQ?

HUH? I never changed my argument one time. YOU questioned how thinking had anything to do with fighting. You had ZERO clue that your brain had any impact what so ever on a fight. I correctly pointed out, that your brain is one of the most important things in any fight. I then illustrated how so. YOU came back with, a fight is a random thing where you're just using your instincts not your brain. THAT is how this whole discussion got started. I'll be quoting you in a second. Nothing has changed on my end. You need your brain to tell your body to do EVERY SINGLE MOVEMENT in a fight. You telling your body to punch, means you thought about punching. Not once, not at ANY POINT did I say you were sitting there pondering things. Stop trying to change the fact that you got owned here. You didn't think the brain had anything to do with a fight, and you couldn't be more wrong about that. That is a regular human, who's able to process all this at human level speed. We are constantly thinking during a fight and telling our body what to do. Now imagine somebody exponentially smarter than you or I, and how fast their brain works and process info, develops strategy. They would make us look like a snail in this area. That is Ozy.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If you were talking about Ozy being all around smarter, that wasn't a claim anyone disagreed with. if you are talking about fighting intelligence though, you never backed that up. all you did was give your opinion.

Here seemingly have no clue that intelligence can help you in a fight

Originally posted by FrothByte
Except that it was pointed out more than once that his intelligence advantage won't serve him in the fight unless he had prep. Because genius intellect doesn't automatically translate to being a smart fighter.

Then when that argument gets tooled. You say this.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Haven't you learned by now that people don't read your blurbs?
Learn to write lesser paragraphs.

There are different kinds of intelligence. A genius intellect doesn't necessarily translate to fighting smarts. For example, Cap has demonstrated far better tactical sense that Ozy despite Ozy having higher IQ.

This is common sense, I don't know how you can be so ignorant about it.

Which again gets tooled when I factually illustrate that Ozy is clearly smart at fighting to. He's not just a genius

Then you go back to your asinine statement of there is no thinking in a fight, it's just muscle memory and instinct. Which as I've shown, is totally false.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Cap has been shown to make battle strategies on the fly. He was even able to beat a more powerful opponent in Spidey. Every strategy that Ozy did was planned beforehand.

Besides, if you've ever been in a real fight you know that there is very little time for thinking. Almost everything boils down to instincts and muscle memory.

Then you say this gem... which is hilarious. Yeah, your brain tells your body to move or punch, but that doesn't mean you thought about it?? WTF. That is EXACTLY what it means. If you didn't think you wanted to punch then, you wouldn't punch. if your brain doesn't tell your body to punch (because that is what you've chosen to do) nothing would happen.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Your brain is functioning because that's how your nervous system is wired which allows your body to move. That doesn't mean that you actually think about every single punch, kick or movement you make.

Only someone who's never been in a fight could be so naive.

You clearly don't seem to understand that these are still thoughts. Whether they are nigh instantaneous or not, they are still thought about. Period. Jesus froth.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
HUH? I never changed my argument one time. YOU questioned how thinking had anything to do with fighting. You had ZERO clue that your brain had any impact what so ever on a fight. I correctly pointed out, that your brain is one of the most important things in any fight. I then illustrated how so. YOU came back with, a fight is a random thing where you're just using your instincts not your brain. THAT is how this whole discussion got started. I'll be quoting you in a second. Nothing has changed on my end. You need your brain to tell your body to do EVERY SINGLE MOVEMENT in a fight. You telling your body to punch, means you thought about punching. Not once, not at ANY POINT did I say you were sitting there pondering things. Stop trying to change the fact that you got owned here. You didn't think the brain had anything to do with a fight, and you couldn't be more wrong about that. That is a regular human, who's able to process all this at human level speed. We are constantly thinking during a fight and telling our body what to do. Now imagine somebody exponentially smarter than you or I, and how fast their brain works and process info, develops strategy. They would make us look like a snail in this area. That is Ozy.

Yes, and again, your definition of thinking seems to be skewed. Look up the dictionary definition. Simple brain activity does not equate to actual thinking. I never said that your brain had nothing to do with a fight. I said there was minimal thinking involved in an actual fight.

Come back to me once you've either learned to use a dictionary and actually know what "thinking" means or when you've been in an actual fight and can tell me how much thinking you were actually able to do in the middle of a fight.

@kt
All you're doing is speculating, you have yet to post any proof of Ozy's super duper amazing fighting intelligence.

Originally posted by Silent Master
@kt
All you're doing is speculating, you have yet to post any proof of Ozy's super duper amazing fighting intelligence.

He thinks that Ozy being able to use his brain to send signals to his body to deliver punches is proof that he's very intelligent.

Originally posted by FrothByte
He thinks that Ozy being able to use his brain to send signals to his body to deliver punches is proof that he's very intelligent.

Do you think it's because kt is using himself as a basis for comparison?

You've never been in a fight.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You've never been in a fight.

Prove it.

Originally posted by FrothByte
He thinks that Ozy being able to use his brain to send signals to his body to deliver punches is proof that he's very intelligent.

Your quotes prove your ignorance on the subject. Just read them. If you're punching, it's because YOU TOLD YOUR BODY to punch. You THOUGHT punching was the right call in that situation. Just like when somebody goes to take you do... You SEE their movement, analyze WHAT THEY SEEM TO BE ATTEMTPING, and then your brain process the best reaction. These thoughts have nigh instantly, but they unquestionably happen. Which is the point.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You've never been in a fight.

Based from our discussions, I think it's obvious who hasn't been in a fight. After all, weren't you the guy that said being able to catch a fast moving object automatically means you can punch fast?

Originally posted by Silent Master
@kt
All you're doing is speculating, you have yet to post any proof of Ozy's super duper amazing fighting intelligence.

I'm not speculating at all. Ozy has clearly, and without any question, displayed greater fighting smarts than WS. Would you like to debate the subject? I'll start

1. Ozy has never been hit by a punch or kick in the entire movie. Clearly demonstrating he's a smart fighter and a skilled one. You don't have a punch landed on you by not being tactically smart and a smart fighter. That along with skill allow that to happen.

A. In start contrast, WS has been punched numerous times, and been countered numerous times. He's put himself into situation where he didn't see Agent 13 was trying to accomplish. Did realize BW distractions in one instance, and allowed himself to get in a hold in another. He was such a dumb fighter that he made a noob mistake and gave his back to Cap and was put to sleep.

Now tell me, which seems like the smarter fighter. I could go on and on. Shall we?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Your quotes prove your ignorance on the subject. Just read them. If you're punching, it's because YOU TOLD YOUR BODY to punch. You THOUGHT punching was the right call in that situation. Just like when somebody goes to take you do... You SEE their movement, analyze WHAT THEY SEEM TO BE ATTEMTPING, and then your brain process the best reaction. These thoughts have nigh instantly, but they unquestionably happen. Which is the point.

Did you know that the brain also controls the lungs to breathe? Let me ask you: Do you actually THINK everytime you breathe?

@kt

I like how you claim that you're not speculating and then proceed to speculate even more.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Did you know that the brain also controls the lungs to breathe? Let me ask you: Do you actually THINK everytime you breathe?

You literally have no clue what you're talking about here. I mean literally. Your breathing is controlled by your brain and your autonomic nervous system. It allows you to breathe with you realizing it. That is an automated response. There is NOTHING the autonomic nervous system controls when it comes to a fight. YOU have to think about an action with your brain and it will be carried out. That is the only way for it to happen. Jesus, are you 5 or something? Does basic anatomy allude you or something. Trying to compare breathing to an actual fight is mindboggling to say the least.

Tell me, when you see someone get low, charged forward towards your legs? What happens? YOU SEE the action, your brain instantly deduce what he's likely trying to do, and how you'll react. Your brain and you will deduce he's trying to take you down, and you'll then respond with an action. What happened there... was there no thought process during the situation? LOL

Originally posted by Silent Master
@kt

I like how you claim that you're not speculating and then proceed to speculate even more.

So you're avoiding debating the subject then? You are questioning whether Ozy is a smart fighter. Well, let's compare how they've done in fights and who appears smarter. Your turn. Or let me guess, you'll run and hide or ask me another question like usual

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You literally have no clue what you're talking about here. I mean literally. Your breathing is controlled by your brain and your autonomic nervous system. It allows you to breathe with you realizing it. That is an automated response. There is NOTHING the autonomic nervous system controls when it comes to a fight. YOU have to think about an action with your brain and it will be carried out. That is the only way for it to happen. Jesus, are you 5 or something? Does basic anatomy allude you or something. Trying to compare breathing to an actual fight is mindboggling to say the least.

Tell me, when you see someone get low, charged forward towards your legs? What happens? YOU SEE the action, your brain instantly deduce what he's likely trying to do, and how you'll react. Your brain and you will deduce he's trying to take you down, and you'll then respond with an action. What happened there... was there no thought process during the situation? LOL

Don't turn this around on me. I'm merely showing you that brain activity doesn't equate to thinking.

There's something called a reaction. Reflex. Your hand gets pricked, reflex is to pull it away. That doesn't need a thought process.

When someone tries to tackle your legs and you sprawl to counter that, it can either be a thought process i.e. "He's going for my legs, thus I need to go low" or it can be a reflex where as soon as someone goes for your legs, your automatic response is to sprawl. If someone has trained properly and has done so frequently enough, the reaction should happen without thought process.

I never said there is no thinking involved in a fight, just that there is minimal thinking. Because thinking about every single movement you do is going to slow you down immensely. Most of your movements need to be drilled hard enough into you to be reflexive, otherwise you'll never win a fight against a decent fighter.

But then had you actually ever tried being in a real fight you wouldn't have needed this explained to you.