Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nobody buys your bs bud. It's all there to see. You flat out disputed that intelligence had any impact on a fight. You were totally wrong on that matter. It unquestionably does, and Ozy being a super Genius, means, YES it will come into play in a fight. That's is why you always lose in these types of discussions with me. You started the discussion by arguing that very point. So that's the first place you were wrong.Then you tried to say that well, being smart is great and all, but again it doesn't mean he's tactically smart or fighting smart. Not only is that comical to even say when talking about Ozy, but while you're trying to defend somebody who's utterly inept then. So what happens then? I proceed to have to cite Ozy's fights and how well he did, while on the contrary, WS has many more instances of being a moron skill wise and tactifully. What happens then? You try and retreat from that stance. There where do we go
Then you try and say well, sure, the brain is involved in that it's sending signals to the arm to move, but there isn't really a thought there or thinking done, it just happens. That is so far away from reality that it's kind of sad to think. The examples you use.. muscle memory.. instincts.. reaction all cause that not a thought WTF LOL. That is comical. You literally have no clue how fast the brain works and process stuff. It's really a lack of knowledge on your part. Are there occasions when there is reflex and no thought there to complete the action, sure, that happens. But that is such a rare thing during a fight it's comical. I would never throw my hat around a premise that only happens rarely, but hey, that's all you bud.
What's funny about that whole thing is, even if we accept your premise that there is no thought process involved what so ever, it's only a auto signal being sent. Then wouldn't your body just start aimlessly swinging? How would it not. If you're not actually telling your arm to punch cause you wanna punch.. then who is? Do you undertand how ridiculous you sound when you actually believe this. However, even it's still just a pulse and no thought process, that is still the brain sending said pulse. Guess what that does? For the third time shoot down one of your stance on how intelligence doesn't matter. I would easily cite that if somebody is a super genius and clearly has superhuman reflex; yeah I'll go out on a limb and say that guy's brain and nervous system sends out signals faster. So even at your extreme level it still gets shots down.
What's worse you then try and act like you've been in fights. Waann know your proof, yeah man, in a fight you don't think it's all instinct reaction and muscle memory. LMAO Jesus man. So you didn't tell your body to punch at that moment, to side step at that moment? Who did? Does somebody control your extremities or something? This is crazy. That proves you been in fights? LMAO. It proves the opposite. If you had, you'd know the examples you use are the exceptions not the rule shortbus. Most people in fights actually think during them. They actually decide I'm going to throw a punch here, side step here, duck here, he's going for a takedown here, he's throwing a punch. I could literally cite 1000's of different things. Your eye's see something and it's nigh instantly processed and in most instances your BRAIN decides the best course of action. As dumb as your sounding now, you must think that whole process takes seconds. Jesus man. You literally have no clue how fast that happens and how fast your brains processes it and reacts. Please read.
Another false claim from froth.. I absolutely addressed those issues. I specifically talked about you bringing up reactions and muscle memory. Then you bring up the think park. Which I addressed nobody is talking about sitting there pondering stuff. I specifically used the word thought numerous times and think. I used them back and forth. I thought it was comical you even thought anhybody was thinking about sitting on tree stump. Jesus man. We are talking about intelligence, ones brain, how fast one can process info, instant thought and reaction. Please don't expect me to address you being a complete clown on the matter. As if anybody was talking about that. Just because you don't understand how fast the eye sees something how fast you PROCESS THAT i.e. a THOUGHT and then how fast you tell your body how to react. As stated above you have no clue.
So what does this all mean? Yes Ozy being a super genius will process info faster and better than WS and easily so. It will matter in a fight, and to pretend otherwise is kind of silly to me. But hey, your froth, nothing new for you. Please respond in your next post about who controls your body and what to do in these MASSIVE amount of fights your in. Is there is a mouse in your pocket?
Get back to me when you've actually been in a fight.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Get back to me when you've actually been in a fight.
This is all proof you've never been in a fight bud. I'm still waiting, in all these fights you've been in... When you decided to throw a punch or dodge or protect against a takedown or try one yourself... according to you.. you had no thought of... I wanna throw a punch here or try and takedown here.. According to your moronic logic, these things just happen, your brain has processed and told your body how to react. So who does? Who's telling you to punch if it's not your brain? Is there a mouse in your pocket telling you when to punch or kick or go for a takedown? Do you know how dumb you sound? You brain 100% and unquestionably processes info and responds accordingly by telling your body to do this or that. Your claim is, your brain deduced nothing and told your body to do nothing it just happens... It's muscle memory LMAO
Funny enough, muscle memory eh? Didn't you say most people haven't been in real fights? So how would they use muscle memory in a fight? Let me guess, they aren't using their brain to tell them to punch... they have no muscle memory auto punching for them... So then what? They just aimlessly flail away randomly not knowing what their body will do next? It's so dumb you've surpassed Quan today is the moron of the month pool. Congrats
What's worse, you'd realize when people do think, and do remain calm in fights that shows they BEEN IN MORE FIGHTS. When somebody just aimlessly flails away without even thinking bout what they are dong... those are the clowns (clearly like you) who fight totally uncontrolled and like they've never been in a fight in their life... Want to know what usually happens to those guys... we go... WORLDSTARRRRRRR
Do tell though, all these many fights you've been in. What told your arm to throw a punch when you have? Who told your legs to try and trip his or go for a takedown? Does your body just operate independent of your brain and just start doing what it wants come fight time? Do explain the physiology/anatomy going on there kiddo LOL
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Do tell though, all these many fights you've been in. What told your arm to throw a punch when you have? Who told your legs to try and trip his or go for a takedown? Does your body just operate independent of your brain and just start doing what it wants come fight time? Do explain the physiology/anatomy going on there kiddo LOL
KT, please learn to READ what I say and actually UNDERSTAND it. Yes, you need your brain to do these movements, but you don't necessarily THINK about it. Brain function and brain activity is not the same as THINKING. And you definitely do NOT need high intelligence to throw a punch.
Before you write your next reply please please please do us all a favor: Get a dictionary, look up the definition of THINK or THINKING and paste that in this forum before you say anything else.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Do tell though, all these many fights you've been in. What told your arm to throw a punch when you have? Who told your legs to try and trip his or go for a takedown? Does your body just operate independent of your brain and just start doing what it wants come fight time? Do explain the physiology/anatomy going on there kiddo LOL
Muscle memory does play a huge part in fighting, at least in a sports setting, you phucking dunderhead.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Muscle memory does play a huge part in fighting, at least in a sports setting, you phucking dunderhead.
Not what we are talking about clownshoes. I already addressed this point. Muscle memory comes from HOW to throw a punch and the technique and angle you use. That has zero to do with your brain telling your arm to punch first, which is what we are talking about kiddo.
Originally posted by FrothByte
KT, please learn to READ what I say and actually UNDERSTAND it. Yes, you need your brain to do these movements, but you don't necessarily THINK about it. Brain function and brain activity is not the same as THINKING. And you definitely do NOT need high intelligence to throw a punch.Before you write your next reply please please please do us all a favor: Get a dictionary, look up the definition of THINK or THINKING and paste that in this forum before you say anything else.
Totally incorrect. YOU claimed the brain had zero impact on fighting. I quoted you NUMEROUS times making that claim. Now you've switched it and concede the brain DOES indeed play a role in movement and punching. Which is Exactly what I claim. You keep talking about thinking, as if that is what I meant or even said. Go quote my numerous posts using the words A THOUGHT. I used that over and over again. I used that word interchangeably with think. I did this over and over again. Please stop acting like you didn't know what I meant.
Second, if you had been in a fight, you'd know that that is plenty of opportunity to analyze the situation full fight. Most times they fight hits the ground, and if you have experience fighting... you're thinking of your next few moves. Often times, when it turns into a boxing match or when people lose their initial steam and burst, the pace slows down and your analyzing what has played out so far and what you want to do. If you had been in a fight, you'd know there is even ample opportunity to think during fights. However, that isn't even what I'm talking about.
You honestly have no clue how fast your eyes see something everything and how fast your brain can then process it and react. You are totally naïve on this subject. When you see a punch coming, you don't just react... YOUR BRAIN IS TELLING YOUR BODY TO MOVE. You're just doing that independent of the brain/thought. I quickly just pulled up 2 articles that exemplify the point.
https://backyardbrains.com/experiments/reactiontime
The above article even takes about arc reflex which you seem to think is what happens when you see a punch coming. It's not. Just like I said.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/bring-science-home-reaction-time/
There are many articles on the subject, these are just the first 3 I pulled up. Read them
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Not what we are talking about clownshoes. I already addressed this point. Muscle memory comes from HOW to throw a punch and the technique and angle you use. That has zero to do with your brain telling your arm to punch first, which is what we are talking about kiddo.
No it doesn't. Muscle memory comes from drilling certain things over and over, for a long period. I started wrestling when I was 11, if someone shoots a takedown on me I instinctually step back, and my hips drop like a torpedo. My brain is almost 100% checked out in that particular action, I don't have to think about it in the slightest. It has nothing to do with technique.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
No it doesn't. Muscle memory comes from drilling certain things over and over, for a long period. I started wrestling when I was 11, if someone shoots a takedown on me I instinctually step back, and my hips drop like a torpedo. My brain is almost 100% checked out in that particular action, I don't have to think about it in the slightest. It has nothing to do with technique.
You literally have ZERO clue what you're talking about. None. read the articles I posted. Your sense are perceiving things ALL around you at all times. Once your eyes SEE somebody making ANY movement like they are gong to shoot on your, your brain INSTANTLY processes the info your eyes are seeing and deduced your next action. These happens happen in 1/100 of a millisecond. YOU THINK you're doing all that on your own without the brain doing anything. You couldn't be more wrong about that. Painfully wrong, and yet you're here trying to act like you know what you're talking about. Muscle memory comes from in AFTER your brain has told you to sprawl.. HOW you sprawl is muscle memory. You don't have to think about the technique involved in sprawling, you know the technique, you've done it 1000 times. However, your brain process the info, decides you need to sprawl, send signals to your extremities to sprawl and then you sprawl using muscle memory. Please educate yourself. I posted three quick articles proving you don't see to have the slightest clue what you're talking about. These things happen so fast YOU THINK you aren't using your brain or it hasn't processed what to do. It has.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Your brain is functioning because that's how your nervous system is wired which allows your body to move. That doesn't mean that you actually think about every single punch, kick or movement you make.Only someone who's never been in a fight could be so naive.
Here's just one example showing your naïve on the subject matter. Tell me, when you throw a punch... how have you concluded to do so? What besides your brain has told you to punch? There isn't a single thing besides your brain that has told you to do so.
You're in a fight... You see an opening.. once your EYES see an opening, your brain instantly process that and you come to the conclusion it's time to punch. You eyes SEE someone going for a tackdown, your brain INSTANLY process the information and decides the best course of action and it carries it out. THAT IS YOUR BRAIN deciding it's time to punch and you do. You literally have zero clue how fast your brain process stuff. Not the slightest clue. Your brain processing that info IS A THOUGHT, it's exactly as I said. These things happen faster than 1/100 of a millisecond. You don't think they are thoughts or your brain is thinking. It's thinking AT ALL TIMES. It's picking up cues from every single of your senses at all times. How are you so naïve on this subject. I posted the articles. Thus, if somebody is a super genius, what does that mean? One thing it means is, they are able to process information and remember information better and faster than normal people. Now think for a second and then tell me that wouldn't serve you in a fight. It's comical to even think that.
Just because you're naïve on the subject and think you're just reacting and your brain isn't processing stuff and thinking the entire time, that isn't my issue. Educate yourself
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You literally have ZERO clue what you're talking about. None. read the articles I posted. Your sense are perceiving things ALL around you at all times. Once your eyes SEE somebody making ANY movement like they are gong to shoot on your, your brain INSTANTLY processes the info your eyes are seeing and deduced your next action. These happens happen in 1/100 of a millisecond. YOU THINK you're doing all that on your own without the brain doing anything. You couldn't be more wrong about that. Painfully wrong, and yet you're here trying to act like you know what you're talking about. Muscle memory comes from in AFTER your brain has told you to sprawl.. HOW you sprawl is muscle memory. You don't have to think about the technique involved in sprawling, you know the technique, you've done it 1000 times. However, your brain process the info, decides you need to sprawl, send signals to your extremities to sprawl and then you sprawl using muscle memory. Please educate yourself. I posted three quick articles proving you don't see to have the slightest clue what you're talking about. These things happen so fast YOU THINK you aren't using your brain or it hasn't processed what to do. It has.
You are taking my statement way too literally, obviously in a biological sense the brain is involved in everything you do, down to the smallest thing. But when muscle memory takes over, you don't have to think about what you are doing. Which is why it's one of the most important aspects of fighting.
So... you quoted me saying that your brain functions while fighting but you are not necessarily thinking.
How does this help your argument? Ithought you were going to quite me saying there is zero brain activity during a fight?
Btw, have you gone up and checked a dictionary? Because it seems you still don't know what THINKING means.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
You are taking my statement way too literally, obviously in a biological sense the brain is involved in everything you do, down to the smallest thing. But when muscle memory takes over, you don't have to [b]think about what you are doing. Which is why it's one of the most important aspects of fighting. [/B]
KT doesn't understand what THINK means. He believes it simply means any brain activity.