Originally posted by Silent Master
You never said it, what kt is doing is called strawmanning.
This is what KT quoted as proof of me saying that there is zero brain activity during a fight:
Your brain is functioning because that's how your nervous system is wired which allows your body to move. That doesn't mean that you actually think about every single punch, kick or movement you make.
Either he's trolling really hard or his comprehension skills are completely off.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Batman. If he had perfect aim he would have shot Batman in the mouth. But Batman was a moving target who was actively fighting him, and he was unable to make the kill shot.What DS did was very good, don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to lowball him. But let's not pretend that an archer who can hit perfect bullseyes on static targets can easily hit a bullseye everytime when he's hunting fast moving deer.
DS shot at stationary targets at close distance. Targets that weren't fighting back, that weren't moving.
In this fight, not only will WS be moving but he'll be firing back. Most of the time when DS did his nice shots he was standing stock still. How accurate do you think he is when he's running and under fire?
He chose to shoot batman where he chose to shoot him. He didn't know he was bullet proof. Thus it was bad choice, not lack of ability. He didn't try to shoot him in the mouth, how you got from that "he couldn't " is beyond me. Bucky won't be getting the drop on him anyway so it's irrelevant. How accurate do I think he is? More than enough apparently. Much more so than WS by leauges. It's his fight too lose. If bucky doesn't react a split second faster and hit on those first few rounds he is a deadman.
Originally posted by wallman77
He chose to shoot batman where he chose to shoot him. He didn't know he was bullet proof. Thus it was bad choice, not lack of ability. He didn't try to shoot him in the mouth, how you got from that "he couldn't " is beyond me. Bucky won't be getting the drop on him anyway so it's irrelevant. How accurate do I think he is? More than enough apparently. Much more so than WS by leauges. It's his fight too lose. If bucky doesn't react a split second faster and hit on those first few rounds he is a deadman.
So does DS have a feat where he makes these perfect shots while runing under fire?
Originally posted by NibedicusWS is not faster by feats as far as Quickdraw. If you disagree then post a scene where you think he pointed and shot faster than what DS did.
You are aware that the faster (by "feats"😉 WS can just simply point and shoot as well?
Also, but more importantly, WS is no where as accurate from that distance. At best they kill each other. At medium WS hits DS with a non lethal hit. At worse WS misses the first few rounds while DS kills him instantly.
Originally posted by h1a8
WS is not faster by feats as far as Quickdraw. If you disagree then post a scene where you think he pointed and shot faster than what DS did.Also, but more importantly, WS is no where as accurate from that distance. At best they kill each other. At medium WS hits DS with a non lethal hit. At worse WS misses the first few rounds while DS kills him instantly.
DS doesn't have any quickdraw feats. So the best you can come up with is that they shoot roughly the same speed.
DS also doesn't have any feats where he shot at 100m (at least not without prep) so you can't claim that he's any better at that distance than WS.
Originally posted by FrothByteHe has several. Unless you are referring to drawing before someone else does. I'm not referring to that. I'm referring to the speed he lifts the gun and fires. It's pretty fast.
DS doesn't have any quickdraw feats. So the best you can come up with is that they shoot roughly the same speed.DS also doesn't have any feats where he shot at 100m (at least not without prep) so you can't claim that he's any better at that distance than WS.
His first shooting scene was over 100m. There was no prep.
Shooting that accurate automatically means he can hit within an inch of target double the distance
Originally posted by h1a8
He has several. Unless you are referring to drawing before someone else does. I'm not referring to that. I'm referring to the speed he lifts the gun and fires. It's pretty fast.
Go ahead, name me the scene. Because I want to view it to see how much faster it is than when WS lifted his pistol and fired at Cap. WS even pivots around and fires at Cap. Bet DS doesn't have any feat like that.
Originally posted by FrothBytemainly in the scene where he's shooting all those creature guys. His gun moves lightning fast from one target to the next. He doesn't hesitate to aim. He instantly points and shoots.
Go ahead, name me the scene. Because I want to view it to see how much faster it is than when WS lifted his pistol and fired at Cap. WS even pivots around and fires at Cap. Bet DS doesn't have any feat like that.
Now those creatures are moving faster than a normal human. They are aiming dodging the hail of machine guns. They are leaping over cars, etc. Deadshot doesnt start firing until they have built up full speed towards him. Yet he doesn't miss any. Precision and speed is what he shown.
Tbh, it's fairly silly to believe that WS would beat DS at his own game. At best they shoot each other, but DS hits WS with a more lethal shot instantly. An instant headshot wins and prevents further shot attempts from WS.
Originally posted by h1a8
mainly in the scene where he's shooting all those creature guys. His gun moves lightning fast from one target to the next. He doesn't hesitate to aim. He instantly points and shoots.Now those creatures are moving faster than a normal human. They are aiming dodging the hail of machine guns. They are leaping over cars, etc. Deadshot doesnt start firing until they have built up full speed towards him. Yet he doesn't miss any. Precision and speed is what he shown.
Tbh, it's fairly silly to believe that WS would beat DS at his own game. At best they shoot each other, but DS hits WS with a more lethal shot instantly. An instant headshot wins and prevents further shot attempts from WS.
Oh you mean those zombie things that no one was having trouble hitting? Even Harley was taking out multiples of them with her baseball bat... while they had guns.
I don't remember them aim dodging. The just ran forward and got hit in the face. They wouldn't need to aim dodge, since they seemed oblivious to pain.
Also, DS wasn't quick drawing. He had his guns already out and ready and just shot continuously. That isn't a quickdraw feat. Try again.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Oh you mean those zombie things that no one was having trouble hitting? Even Harley was taking out multiples of them with her baseball bat... while they had guns.I don't remember them aim dodging. The just ran forward and got hit in the face. They wouldn't need to aim dodge, since they seemed oblivious to pain.
Also, DS wasn't quick drawing. He had his guns already out and ready and just shot continuously. That isn't a quickdraw feat. Try again.
h1a8 watched an extra special rare triple exclusive magic edition of the movie.
Originally posted by FrothByte
KT doesn't understand what THINK means. He believes it simply means any brain activity.
Completely incorrect. You cited that a fight is all muscle memory, instincts, reactions... more than you using your brain. You literally said this. This couldn't be further from the truth. Your brain is MUCH more of a factor than all of those things combined. That is the part you're getting. Do you understand your brain is thinking at all times. This is why you're so naïve on the subject, yet talking like you have the slightest clue what you're talking about.
When you're simply walking, your brain is processing info at all times of what is going on around you. A smell, a car moving in your direction, somebody walking towards. It's processing all things around you at all times. You're totally naïve on this subject. That is why, in a fight YOUR BRAIN decides when you punch or not. When you kick, when you side step. It's processing and thinking the entire time you're in that fight. To even think it somehow shuts down is why you're so painfully naïve on the subject. It doesn't shut down, it doesn't stop working, it doesn't stop processing information. Not only is it thinking at all times, but once your eyes notice a punch coming, your brain instantly processing that information, and has a though, MOVE. How can you be so dumb on a subject, yet try and act like you're coming from a place of knowledge?
Do you actually believe Ozy being a super genius wouldn' aid him in a fight? Honestly?
Completely incorrect. You cited that a fight is all muscle memory, instincts, reactions... more than you using your brain. You literally said this.
No, I never said this. Please quote me where I said this. What I said was that in a fight, it will mostly be muscle memory, instincts and reactions and not a lot of THINKING. Take note that I said thinking, not brain activity.
Stop strawmanning KT. You've lost this debate and you know it. And stop derailing this thread.
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Your brain is functioning because that's how your nervous system is wired which allows your body to move. That doesn't mean that you actually think about every single punch, kick or movement you make.
This is exactly how you're wrong. You think the brain is JUST sending signals for the body to move but the rest is instincts, muscle memory and reaction. That couldn't be further from the truth. Your brain is constantly thinking during a fight. Even when you don't think it's thinking, it's processing information. whether you're walking, whether you're swimming. No matter what. You somehow think when you're in a fight all brain activity stops and you stop thinking. Even here you're so naïve on the subject, you say you don't think to throw every punch. You most certainly do. Your brain has been thinking the entire time. It ha been weighing up your foe, your surroundings, any friends he may have. If it's md fight, what has occurred, what you've learned. There isn't a second of a fight that your brain isn't thinking and processing all that your senses are perceiving. You think it's simply sending signals and nothing. That is how naïve you're on this subject.
Originally posted by FrothByte
No, I never said this. Please quote me where I said this. What I said was that in a fight, it will mostly be muscle memory, instincts and reactions and not a lot of THINKING. Take note that I said thinking, not brain activity.Stop strawmanning KT. You've lost this debate and you know it. And stop derailing this thread.
You're quoting yourself and saying exactly how you're wrong. NO those things aren't more important in a fight, nor do they happen more than thinking. You don't even know your brain is constantly thinking and processing info. Just because it does this stuff without you consciously knowing it sometimes, doesn't mean it stops thinking. Your brain is always thinking and processing into. Read up on the subject, because you painfully have no clue. Even you think your statement is true, and it couldn't be further from the truth. Those things don't impact a fight more than your brain, nor determine your next action more than your brain. Not even close.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You're quoting yourself and saying exactly how you're wrong. NO those things aren't more important in a fight, nor do they happen more than thinking. You don't even know your brain is constantly thinking and processing info. Just because it does this stuff without you consciously knowing it sometimes, doesn't mean it stops thinking. Your brain is always thinking and processing into. Read up on the subject, because you painfully have no clue. Even you think your statement is true, and it couldn't be further from the truth. Those things don't impact a fight more than your brain, nor determine your next action more than your brain. Not even close.
Like I said, you seem to believe that any form of brain activity equals thinking. Go pick up a dictionary please.
Here, I'll help you:
Thinking - using conscious thought or rational judgement
Note the conscious thought part.
Nice try, here's the definition
adjective
adjective: thinking
1. using thought or rational judgment; intelligent.
2. the process of using one's mind to consider or reason about something.
Says nothing about conscious at all. Notice the definition. When your eyes see a punch coming, your brain (which is always thinking) instantly processes arm movement, looks like a punch, coming at me... okay time to move. All that is your brain thinking. Seeing something, determining the issue, figuring out the best response and then responding. That is exactly your brain thinking. Just because you were unaware how fast this process is, isn't my problem. I told you to read up on the subject, but you just continue to post in ignorance.