Luke Skywalker & Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Count Dooku & Arcann

Nonetheless, Dooku wins a massive majority. Makashi counters Soresu perfectly and he's dismantled a superior Ataru master in Qui-Gon Jinn before

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Dooku has never stomped Kenobi :/

Even in AOTC.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_8DUsl1Ea4

Or seen the part where Dooku nearly gets cut in half?

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Nonetheless, Dooku wins a massive majority. Makashi counters Soresu perfectly and he's dismantled a superior Ataru master in Qui-Gon Jinn before

Team 2 in a good fight if its Dooku vs Luke and Arcann vs Obi Wan. Team 2 in a not so good fight if it's vice versa.

Obi-Wan can make Dooku work for it, but yes, Dooku does beat Obi-Wan every time in sabers. He's on another level in terms of sheer skill (per Nick Gillard's rankings), and his Makashi form is ideal for fighting Soresu. That, and Obi-Wan's Ataru isn't particularly effective against somebody who knows the form inside-out.

Luke beats Arcann, though.

bb. 😉

Originally posted by SunRazer
Obi-Wan can make Dooku work for it, but yes, Dooku does beat Obi-Wan every time in sabers. He's on another level in terms of sheer skill (per Nick Gillard's rankings), and his Makashi form is ideal for fighting Soresu. That, and Obi-Wan's Ataru isn't particularly effective against somebody who knows the form inside-out.

Luke beats Arcann, though.

Kenobi had improved Tremendously within that time.

Whereas with Dooku, we don't see a big difference in saber skill.

Stop with that bullshit Jman. Dooku never struggled in AOTC with Kenobi. Dooku improved as well ****tard...

Wait, lightsabers only? Yeah, Luke and Kenobi take this.

I wonder if Jman realizes that Dooku was toying with him through that initial fight and was actually kinda dissapointed by Obi's skill? mmm

Neph is mine.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Stop with that bullshit Jman. Dooku never struggled in AOTC with Kenobi. Dooku improved as well ****tard...

He isn't didn't improve nearly as much as Obi-Wan did.

Also, nice band-wagon jumping you did there.

Team 2

Originally posted by MythLord
I wonder if Jman realizes that Dooku was toying with him through that initial fight and was actually kinda dissapointed by Obi's skill? mmm

I'm pretty sure he was saying that to piss Kenobi off, but whatever 😬

Per Gillard's rankings, Obi-Wan's a level 8, and Dooku [is inferrably] a level 9. It's a "huge jump" from one level to the next, as Gillard claims. And unlike Anakin, Dooku doesn't have the restriction of "not being beyond Obi-Wan mentally". That he literally knows Obi-Wan's offensive form inside-out makes it incredibly hard for Obi-Wan to actually win. His Soresu will be a pest and a pain to get through, but no more.

Obi-Wan has no victory conditions that he can fulfill against the Count in terms of saber combat.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
It says that Dooku "fought furiously" to keep Kenobi's blade at bay or some shit.

He isn't didn't improve nearly as much as Obi-Wan did.

Also, nice band-wagon jumping you did there.

It also says that when he fought Yoda he was fighting on another level to what he was against Kenobi and Skywalker. Dooku clearly wasn't going all out against Kenobi and has repeatedly humiliated him since.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It also says that when he fought Yoda he was fighting on another level to what he was against Kenobi and Skywalker. Dooku clearly wasn't going all out against Kenobi and has repeatedly humiliated him since.

...using TK to aid him.

Well of course he was, but I'm saying Kenobi has probably improved to the point that he was close to that level at least, possibly on that level.

I like how you're using Obi-Wan having an ally as a reason for Dooku beating him.

Dooku displays superiority without TK several times. Like the RotS duel where he drags Obi-Wans saber around freely to block Anakin at the same time.

He isn't. Kenobi would get crushed by Yoda.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Kenobi isn't good in confined spaces either, Soresu is a defensive style, which wouldn't work well in a confined space.

WRONG.

As per Canon, Soresu is designed for tight quarter combat.

And if we say he was using Ataru (I personally think he was combining both) he still had more room to manoeuvre than Maul and Savage who were both much larger than Kenobi at the time.

And LMAO if you think Maul doesn't use acrobatics in combat.