Dave Filoni on Ahsoka Tano vs Darth Vader / The Emperor

Originally posted by Unbowed
You might have had a inkling of a point, had the entire argument in this thread for Ashoka>Maul not been made on the premise that only Sidious and Vader "can go blow for blow against her".

So in other words you believe that:
a)Ashoka can perform worse than Maul against the Inquisitors
b)despite that, she can magically perform better against Vader and Sidious, who are to the Inquisitors what a dragon is to a lizard

You don't see how those two things contradict each other?

Instead of accepting the truth that Maul is stronger than Ashoka, you rely on a convoluted and distorted thought process so can you reconcile that contradiction.

One might call it... mental acrobatics.

@Unbowed: And what's your entire premise? That Maul is better than Ahsoka simply because he performed better against the Inquisitors? That sole reason as to justify why Maul is better than Ahsoka takes mental gymnastics. You've failed to realize a few things: 1. The darksiders were more powerful on Malachor because it is a dark side nexus, thus Maul is more powerful than standard, as well as the Inquisitors 2. Ahsoka had no intention on killing the Inquisitors, and thus would naturally be less effective against them, 3. Just because Maul can decimate the Inquisitors, it does not mean he is automatically superior to Ahsoka. Try to comprehend the circumstances a bit and apply some more nuanced thinking, my love.

Filoni's quote itself already lends creadance to the idea that the only true superiors to Ahsoka at this time are Vader and Palpatine. Claiming the Ahsoka > Maul argument is solely because of Filoni's quote is ridic' though, seeing as how Ahsoka stalemated a nexus empowered Maul. Your flimsy argument relies on ABC logic with the Inquisitors and ignoring of circumstances.

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Originally posted by Beniboybling
Considering Joker's argument is based on the contradiction between Maul's perfomance against the Inquisitors, and his performance against Ahsoka, I wonder through what mental acrobatics you reconcile with Maul ultimately only managing to stalemate her. mmm

They fought for a grand total of 20 seconds, and she ran away. Your argument only strengthened my position.

I guess Maul had to slice Filoni's pet character up inside of 20 seconds - something Vader couldn't manage, by the way - to get you people to use some common sense. 🙄

Originally posted by Unbowed
"Ultimately stalemate" her? 😆

They fought for a grand total of 20 seconds, and she ran away. Your argument only strengthened my position.

I guess Maul had to slice Filoni's pet character up inside of 20 seconds - something Vader couldn't manage, by the way - to get you people to use some common sense. 🙄

Gosh your worse than Quan, and even more obnoxious.

First of all she didn't run away, she went to help Ezra, leaving Maul to be handled by a blind man.

Secondly unless Ezra was somehow able to teleport himself to the top of the temple there duel lasted longer than 20 seconds, I suggest you reappraise yourself with the episode and become familiar with the term "off-panel", which in this instance lasts for about 1:20, in which barring a sudden truce we should assume Ahsoka and Maul were still fighting.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Gosh your worse than Quan, and even more obnoxious.

First of all she didn't run away, she went to help Ezra, leaving Maul to be handled by a blind man.

Secondly unless Ezra was somehow able to teleport himself to the top of the temple there duel lasted longer than 20 seconds, I suggest you reappraise yourself with the episode and become familiar with the term "off-panel", which in this instance lasts for about 1:20, in which barring a sudden truce we should assume Ahsoka and Maul were still fighting.

So, using your rationale, she also "ultimately stalemated him"?

And who the **** uses terms like "gosh" and "obnoxious"?

And to sum up, you simultaneously believe all these things:

a)she performs worse than Maul
b)runs from him after less than two minutes of fighting
c)manages to fight Vader for longer than two minutes
d)she is stronger than Maul
e)Vader is also stronger than Maul

In other words, despite Maul having arguably the strongest showings out of all three of them, he is the weakest.

"Gosh". 😆

Stalemate or not, Ashoka still somewhat held her own against Prime Vader on a DS Nexus...

Originally posted by Unbowed
Accepting your premise, by my count she also lasted about 2.20 against Vader.

So, using your rationale, she also "ultimately stalemated him"?

No because at the end of that period, Vader had driven Ahsoka out of the temple, and Force pushed her off the edge.

Comparatively, Maul gained zero advantage over Ahsoka, the duel ending in a stalemate.

Are you really this retarded? Or have you just run out of counters?

Originally posted by Unbowed
And who the **** uses terms like "gosh" and "obnoxious"?

Originally posted by |King Joker|

Filoni's quote itself already lends creadance to the idea that the only true superiors to Ahsoka at this time are Vader and Palpatine. Claiming the Ahsoka > Maul argument is solely because of Filoni's quote is ridic' though, seeing as how Ahsoka stalemated a nexus empowered Maul. Your flimsy argument relies on ABC logic with the Inquisitors and ignoring of circumstances.

Filoni was talking about why Ahsoka wasn't used much after she was introduced. Maul wasn't even a factor until season finale.

Also there's no way of knowing (yet) what kind of amp (if any) Darksiders get on Malachor.

In any case, I'm pretty sure Filoni would choose Ahsoka over Maul in a fight due to his personal bias towards her. The question is if that's really his decision. He made it clear in the interview that the Story Group Allowed him to have the Ahsoka vs Vader fight go as it did. The question is if the story group would allow him to show Ahsoka being > Maul. It's their decision, not Filoni's. And I'm not inclined to accept his natural bias on the character alone as Canon fact.

Originally posted by Unbowed
And to sum up, you simultaneously believe all these things:

a)she performs worse than Maul
b)runs from him after less than two minutes of fighting
c)manages to fight Vader for longer than two minutes
d)she is stronger than Maul
e)Vader is also stronger than Maul

In other words, despite Maul having arguably the strongest showings out of all three of them, he is the weakest.

"Gosh". 😆

Originally posted by Unbowed
Accepting your premise, by my count she also lasted about 2.20 against Vader.

So, using your rationale, she also "ultimately stalemated him"?

Originally posted by Unbowed
And who the **** uses terms like "gosh" and "obnoxious"?

Originally posted by Unbowed
And to sum up, you simultaneously believe all these things:

a)she performs worse than Maul
b)runs from him after less than two minutes of fighting
c)manages to fight Vader for longer than two minutes
d)she is stronger than Maul
e)Vader is also stronger than Maul

In other words, despite Maul having arguably the strongest showings out of all three of them, he is the weakest.

"Gosh". 😆

Originally posted by Beniboybling
facepalm

No because at the end of that period, Vader had driven Ahsoka out of the temple, and Force pushed her off the edge.

Originally posted by Beniboybling Are you really this retarded? Or have you just run out of counters?Me, your intellectual superior. 🙂

Gosh, that's so obnoxious.

Originally posted by Unbowed
Yes, but did she stalemate him after only 1:20 had elapsed? Let's apply to Vader the same criteria you apply to Maul

Well, he did gain an advantage when she ran away. 😉

Are you really lording your intellectual superiority over someone you claim is retarded?

Gosh, that's so obnoxious.

Not sure what Unbowed's trying to prove with the "we didn't see most the Maul vs Ahsoka fight," because what makes him think Maul was winning the unseen parts and not the other way around Lol

Unbowed seems to be of the opinion that if after almost two minutes of fighting a duel ends in a stalemate, its not actually a stalemate, or something.

If one flees combat then they forfeit the duel. I guess by your own standards leaving a duel means stalemate. Tano didn't Bfr Maul either to get to Ezra.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Unbowed seems to be of the opinion that if after almost two minutes of fighting a duel ends in a stalemate, its not actually a stalemate, or something.

Yeah but if it wasn't a stalemate, then what makes him think Maul was winning and not Tano? Lol

Given the praise Tano gets from Filoni and Co., and given Maul's admitted inferiority to Vader and his complete embarrassment against blind Kanan, I would have thought any Maul fan would be happy to accept his stalemate against Ahsoka.