Dave Filoni on Ahsoka Tano vs Darth Vader / The Emperor

Originally posted by Kurk
You haven't said anything to justify Kenobi being faster than Dooku. You just keep saying Dooku's more skillful which by itself means nothing. When has Kenobi outmaneuvered Dooku?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
You expect Evidence from Quanchi? 😂

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Originally posted by cs_zoltan
He's right, for a change.

Originally posted by quanchi112
His younger age. Jesus are you this unbelievably stupid ? It was clear Kenobi was slower in ANH and Dooku is old as ****. He's just better with a light saber but he doesn't move around quicker than Kenobi at all. Watch the films and try to gain some knowledge with how bodies break down and become slower with age. Scientific facts you ignoramus.

So Dooku being older is Quanchi's "proof" that he's slower than Obi-Wan? 😂

In that case I guess Dooku being older is "proof" that he's a superior Force wielder to both Mace and Vader given Mastery also comes with age.

Screw feats and showings. Let's just think up any reason why Dooku would be slower and call it "evidence".

Quanchi's seriously more desperate than ever. Twilight of the Apprentice isn't letting him sleep at night.

Originally posted by Kurk
gtfo
Then by that logic Sidious shouldn't have been able to blitz the B-team or Savage or anyone else for that matter. Lol at scientific facts as if they apply here. Maul then should have died on Naboo in seconds after his aorta was severed. Makashi does not involve leaping around your opponent and performing barrel rolls. Despite this, he has shown such an ability on Oba Diah. Makashi relies on good, quick, foot-work more than anything so again by your logic Dooku shouldn't even be able to last more than 4 seconds against a younger opponent.

Skill matters in a duel and your retarded logic is ignoring his experience, skill, and force power.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
So Dooku being older is Quanchi's "proof" that he's slower than Obi-Wan? 😂

In that case I guess Dooku being older is "proof" that he's a superior Force wielder to both Mace and Vader given Mastery also comes with age.

Screw feats and showings. Let's just think up any reason why Dooku would be slower and call it "evidence".

Quanchi's seriously more desperate than ever. Twilight of the Apprentice isn't letting him sleep at night.

No, that isn't proof because not everyone has the same potential.

Vos confirms my stance he is slow along with the film showings. Vos humiliated him with superior speed. That's evidence that just destroyed you and confirmed what I said prior to that book. I'm right you're wrong. You don't know Star Wars.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Sidious has much greater force power and has shown himself to maneuver faster with the force than Dooku. Dooku was tired as well in a very short duel in rots. correct ? Scientific facts matter in the Star Wars universe. The older they get the more they need to rely on the force during combat. Greater force power means greater ease in which doing so.

Skill matters in a duel and your retarded logic is ignoring his experience, skill, and force power.

Originally posted by Kurk
So now you're saying that Kenobi is stronger in the force than Dooku? Is that what allows him to "move faster"? I don't disagree that Dooku needs to use more of his force reserves in his older age, but that's talking about endurance. We're talking about speed. Dooku can only move faster than Kenobi if he's stronger in the force hence being able to augment his speed. You said that it's exactly what Sidious does. Are you saying Dooku is slower than Kenobi because he's weaker in the force? That's all you could possibly be saying.

Vos showed off how speed greatly hampered Dooku. Canon example. Yet another obvious showing which profoundly proves my points.

According to the ROTS script both Kenobi and Dooku were tiring in the Kenobi/Anakin vs Dooki fight.

So as usual, Quanchi brings Zero evidence/showings to the table and is logic is all over the place.

Twilight of the Apprentice has obviously made him all loopy 😂

Originally posted by Darth Thor
According to the ROTS script both Kenobi and Dooku were tiring in the Kenobi/Anakin vs Dooki fight.

So as usual, Quanchi brings Zero evidence/showings to the table and is logic is all over the place.

Twilight of the Apprentice has obviously made him all loopy 😂

Vos proved without a doubt Dooku had issues with speed. Thats a canon showing.

canon facts and common sense back up my claim. How does it feel to be out debated at every turn, D. Turd ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kenobi is naturally faster due to his age and he doesn't need to rely on the force as often as a slower geriatric such as Dooku. We see he isn't fast in his duels. We see he is highly skilled with a saber. He isn't faster than any of these guys. I am saying Dooku doesn't use the force in the same manner to use the quickness Sidious uses. Using him as an example is pure fail. They aren't the same nor do they have the same force power. Try to stay on point here my uneducated and simple former apprentice.

Vos showed off how speed greatly hampered Dooku. Canon example. Yet another obvious showing which profoundly proves my points.

0:59 Dooku side steps Anakin's attack—no saber needed—and proceeds to kick Kenobi before he can strike the Count.

1:16 Dooku again side steps Anakin's attack; he sees Kenobi attacking. He deflects the first swing, ducks under Kenobi's second swing, and manages to get close enough to simultaneously knee him in the chest, grab his arm, and throw him in one fluid motion.

1:27 Dooku performs a flying roundhouse kick to the back of Anakin's head while simultaneously dodging his attack. He finishes by side-stepping Kenobi's attack again.

In conclusion, there is not a single point in this fight when Kenobi is faster than Dooku.

I am not saying Dooku is able to continuously speed-blitz everyone he comes across; he is not powerful enough to do that. Vader can blitz as well, but he speeds himself in bursts shorter than Dooku's. Kenobi is already performing at his max augmentation the entire fight and he still loses to Dooku being slower.

So you fail to address the Vos example showing a clear bias and refusal to respond to all the evidence. Kenobi isn't as skilled with a light saber or in a duel therefore Dooku wins. This evidence it proof Dook is more efficient in his movements not that he's faster. His movements are very efficient and concise unlike Kenobi's. You seem to not understand the clear differences in their styles of dueling. Dooku is more fluid in his dueling than Kenobi. That isn't speed that is skill my dim witted dope.

Thanks for conceding the debate while ignoring your own laughable abc logic hey guess what Sidious can do. You won't even address Vos because that's as clear cut as it gets. He's not fast just highly skilled and efficient.

But.. But... Kenobi's Younger so he Must be faster! Screw their canonical showings!

Oh and I'd take being slower than DS Vos and getting beaten in an intense fight, over getting completely humiliated by Blind Kanan in 5 seconds any day of the week.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
But.. But... Kenobi's Younger so he Must be faster! Screw their canonical showings!

Oh and I'd take being slower than DS Vos and getting beaten in an intense fight, over getting completely humiliated by Blind Kanan in 5 seconds any day of the week.

He was decisively beaten by Vos due to less speed. Maul blinded Kanan and he needed to be saved by Tano. You ignore the totality of what happened to sell your biased points. Maul fell off a ledge after being overconfident. I can live with that. He blinded aka altered the rest of his life as a human being. How did Vader look when he walked off the episode ?

Okay let's take a look at DD:

"The count went from standing perfectly still to a blur, but Vos was faster. He leapt up and over Dooku, just in time to prevent the red blade from severing his legs. Dooku whirled as Vos's blade slashed down and caught it on his own. Vos kicked out in a long swipe, angling his body to force his enemy's blade down. Dooku let himself fall, seizing Vos in the Force and hurling him across the room. The count extended his arm, and Force lightning leapt from his hand.

But Vos wasn't there. He stretched out his own hand and Dooku's lightsaber flew into his open palm. Vos smiled, a cruel, satisfied smile. Dooku appeared unrattled, blasting another round of Force lightning. While Vos crossed both green and red lightsabers in front of him in a protective X, Dooku made a pulling motion with his other hand, and Vos was flipped backward. The red lightsaber returned to its owner, and the fight continued.

Both Jedi watching were prepared to act if need be. Indeed, Anakin was more than eager to do so. But, truth be told, Vos seemed to be holding his own against Dooku. He leapt, sprang, ducked, and tumbled. Dooku might have been a master of technique, but Vos's characteristic unpredictability-quite possibly even to himself-often gave him the edge.

As it did now. Vos all but danced around Dooku, forcing the older man to whirl, strike, and block from every side. And then-there it was. Dooku overextended-only a trifle-and the next thing Kenobi knew the count's lightsaber was across the room and the count himself was on his back.

Vos smiled down at the defeated Sith. The tip of his lightsaber was a centimeter away from Dooku's throat. "

There is nothing here to suggest he beat Dooku through speed Quanchi. There is only one line stating that he barely managed to get out of the way of Dooku's blade in time. Dooku lost by over-extending, not through Vos's non-existent superior speed. Vos's unpredictable fighting style gave him the edge.

Vos all but danced around him. That doesn't imply superior speed. It also says clearly Vos was faster. That's undeniable. It also says Dooku is a master of technique which I've been saying the entire time. More evidence which backs my claims about Dooku and his strengths which isn't speed its technique or skill level. Dooku also shoots lightning but Vos wasn't there again showing superior reflexes or speed. You are doing some serious reaching here.

At least Vos was a Jedi Master getting a dark side amp.

Kanan has no where near that level of skill or power, and he beat Maul "blind."

I'm laughing at the Troll using Vos to lowball Dooku against Maul, and now look how badly Maul performed 😂

Edit- And I'm laughing even harder at his 6 bumps in a row on his own ST vs SW thread which no one is responding to 😂

Originally posted by Darth Thor
At least Vos was a Jedi Master getting a dark side amp.

Kanan has no where near that level of skill or power, and he beat Maul "blind."

I'm laughing at the Troll using Vos to lowball Dooku against Maul, and now look how badly Maul performed 😂

Edit- And I'm laughing even harder at his 6 bumps in a row on his own ST vs SW thread which no one is responding to 😂

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Vos was faster. He wasn't as powerful nor did he have the skill level of Dooku. My case is proven. Maul blinded Kanan and would have killed him but Tano intervened. Maul was overconfident and fell off the ledge.

I also said Vader isn't that maneuverable and look what happened. He couldn't defend himself in time against Tano. Another claim Disney canon has confirmed.

I punked an entire fanbase. I'm amazing.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Vos all but danced around him. That doesn't imply superior speed. It also says clearly Vos was faster. That's undeniable. It also says Dooku is a master of technique which I've been saying the entire time. More evidence which backs my claims about Dooku and his strengths which isn't speed its technique or skill level. Dooku also shoots lightning but Vos wasn't there again showing superior reflexes or speed. You are doing some serious reaching here.

Since you keep saying Kenobi is faster, give an instance where he was.

Originally posted by Kurk
Vos dancing around Dooku does not mean he was faster, that's simply his preferred style of combat. Dooku has criticized Ataru before for its ridiculous aerobatics. He is very orthodox and sticks to Makashi for that reason. You are naive to believe that flips and rolls means your faster than your opponent.
What do you have to say about Dooku vs Yoda? He clearly was fast enough there.

Since you keep saying Kenobi is faster, give an instance where he was.

Watch his movements. The manner in which he runs, etc. watch his force run. 😂

The text also stated Vos was faster. You ignored that clear statement. Vos is faster and Dooku has great technique so once again I am vindicated.