Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Can you?
Yes, absolutely. Way more than three people nominated me in the best debaters thread. But regardless, my point isn't to idolize myself; there are lots of other members here who were also nominated. It was to look at you.
You did dodge the question, I see. Ant, mind you, has some qualifying conditions on his endorsement that he told me in private; not sure if he wants me to divulge them.
Originally posted by MythLord
Yeah, by listing the exceptions, it's perfectly normal for me to say "entire" because that "entire" involves only the people who do make fun of you, since I outlined that it doesn't include those who do not...But, y'know, sentence structure is also a lost art for you.
Seriously, this guy doesn't understand basic colloquialisms; everyone uses words like "nobody" and "entirely" when it might be the case only 99.99% of the time and not literally 100%. Case in point: me right now.
Yes, absolutely. Way more than three people nominated me in the best debaters thread. But regardless, my point isn't to idolize myself; there are lots of other members here who were also nominated. It was to look at you.You did dodge the question, I see. Ant, mind you, has some qualifying conditions on his endorsement that he told me in private; not sure if he wants me to divulge them.
For there to be any objective measure of debating skills on this forum, you first have to accurately gauge the credibility of those voting and/or debating. Otherwise, you've essentially won what boils down to a popularity contest. Congratulations you internet sensation you 👆
I've never cared about popularity on this forum (as evidenced by being a dick to those I respect and those I don't), so I will never win that one and that's super. However, I will be the first to admit when someone outdebates me (ask Zamp, Gideon, Nai, Janus) etc. What you have here is a bunch of teenagers and 20s something falling into one of two cliques, which means you'll never get an objective measure of debating skills. As far as the difference between you and me, consider the following:
1. You post more than anyone else on this forum when you're not banned
2. You create way more threads than anyone in here
3. While you type more often than you debate, you debate way more often than me, as my debates are often reserved for the political forum, if any forum at all.
4. People that have a problem with me are those that have been hurt by me, because they claim I'm both a shitty debater AND that I don't debate (a contradiction which I find amusing). I hope that answers your question 👆
Seriously, this guy doesn't understand basic colloquialisms; everyone uses words like "nobody" and "entirely" when it might be the case only 99.99% of the time and not literally 100%. Case in point: me right now.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
I've never cared about popularity on this forum
Literally your go-to insult is to tell someone that nobody takes them seriously. But apparently when it's applied to your case, suddenly it doesn't matter. 😆
However, I will be the first to admit when someone outdebates me (ask Zamp, Gideon, Nai, Janus) etc.
Which must happen quite often.
Spoiler:
Gideon thinks you're an awful debater.
What you have here is a bunch of teenagers and 20s something falling into one of two cliques, which means you'll never get an objective measure of debating skills.
The people Gideon and co. consider to be the best debaters also think you're a joke. Case in point, Nova.
I'm also interested in your assertion that people in their twenties aren't as good debaters. That's when fluid intelligence typically peaks, and it's also probably when interest in Star Wars, internet forums, and debating either peaks or has even passed it. Bragging about your advanced age doesn't do you any favors, buddy.
1. You post more than anyone else on this forum when you're not banned
2. You create way more threads than anyone in here
3. While you type more often than you debate, you debate way more often than me, as my debates are often reserved for the political forum, if any forum at all.
4. People that have a problem with me are those that have been hurt by me, because they claim I'm both a shitty debater AND that I don't debate (a contradiction which I find amusing). I hope that answers your question 👆
Correction: literally everyone thinks you're a shitty debater. We have chats outside of KMC, and when your name is brought up, the first two things out of everyone's mouth is a) what a f*cking ******* you are and b) how utterly incoherent everything you say is.
I don't think you understand what a "basic colloquialism" is, otherwise you wouldn't throw around arbitrary numbers that would essentially destroy your own argument if changed. Case in point, take that 99% and lower it 45% and words like "nobody" and "entirely" would cease to mean what they mean. But I get it, you're desperately trying to come off as intelligent on this forum and often failing (as you've just done). It shows a level of insecurity that's consistent with your age and that's ok. If you want to command any kind of respect on here (from people that have actually gone beyond high school), I advise you to mellow out and not try so much. Good talk, Ellimist 👆
Lower it to 45%? Interesting claim. So you think 55% or so of this board takes you seriously?
Funny, because you were so nervous to try to find three people who supported you. 😆
The last thing to note about you that everyone think is hilarious is how hilariously easy it is to bait you into anything. You routinely get into shouting matches with obvious troll accounts that everyone else has the good sense to ignore; fitting, given that you socked like 100+ times to finally annoy the mods into letting you stay. Your insecurity and lack of self worth/overall bitterness about life would invoke sympathy if you weren't also an utterly detestable human being on top of it.
Literally your go-to insult is to tell someone that nobody takes them seriously. But apparently when it's applied to your case, suddenly it doesn't matter.
Which must happen quite often.[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Gideon thinks you're an awful debater.
I'm also interested in your assertion that people in their twenties aren't as good debaters. That's when fluid intelligence typically peaks, and it's also probably when interest in Star Wars, internet forums, and debating either peaks or has even passed it. Bragging about your advanced age doesn't do you any favors, buddy.
What you have here is a bunch of teenagers and 20s something falling into one of two cliques, which means you'll never get an objective measure of debating skills.
Correction: literally everyone thinks you're a shitty debater. We have chats outside of KMC, and when your name is brought up, the first two things out of everyone's mouth is a) what a f*cking ******* you are and b) how utterly incoherent everything you say is.
Lower it to 45%? Interesting claim. So you think 55% or so of this board takes you seriously?Funny, because you were so nervous to try to find three people who supported you. laughing
The last thing to note about you that everyone think is hilarious is how hilariously easy it is to bait you into anything. You routinely get into shouting matches with obvious troll accounts that everyone else has the good sense to ignore; fitting, given that you socked like 100+ times to finally annoy the mods into letting you stay. Your insecurity and lack of self worth/overall bitterness about life would invoke sympathy if you weren't also an utterly detestable human being on top of it.
I don't need to tell you that I didn't need to ask the mods of anything actually but just like in star wars, you already believe what you already believe. I stopped insulting you long time ago because I realized you were a loser in life and desperately needed the approval of people on a forum. No need to get angry at me for having your life go awry buddy. I'm perfectly comfortable with my life socially and financially, while you continue to project your insecurities and failures onto a forum. Another great talk 👆
Beefy the guy perma'd over fifty times and who isn't popular ironically criticizes someone else for temp bans and about as u popular as they come. Beefy it makes you sound incredibly stupid to use bans and popularity against anyone since you're worse off than pretty much any active account on this site. You are easy one of the easiest people to bait yet you accuse others of being baited.
You also misuse words all the time, stalking for example. You have yet to realize posting on a public forum where your privileges have not been revoked isn't stalking. You have misused this word more times than anyone I can recall misusing any word. You've also backed down from debating challenges showing you're also a coward. What is ther to your legacy besides someone who is incredibly emotional, repetitive, and goes where he doesn't belong. 50 plus permas.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Beefy the guy perma'd over fifty times and who isn't popular ironically criticizes someone else for temp bans and about as u popular as they come. Beefy it makes you sound incredibly stupid to use bans and popularity against anyone since you're worse off than pretty much any active account on this site. You are easy one of the easiest people to bait yet you accuse others of being baited.You also misuse words all the time, stalking for example. You have yet to realize posting on a public forum where your privileges have not been revoked isn't stalking. You have misused this word more times than anyone I can recall misusing any word. You've also backed down from debating challenges showing you're also a coward. What is ther to your legacy besides someone who is incredibly emotional, repetitive, and goes where he doesn't belong. 50 plus permas.
Thank you Quan. I'm so honored that I could affect a 14 year old this much. If you want my autograph, just ask.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Remind me the last time I've used that insult 😂
Don't you remember when we had our back and forths? That was basically the insult that you copy-pasted onto every post you made, given your low creativity level. And funnily enough, when everyone started turning against you once they got to know you, you suddenly decide that popularity doesn't matter anymore.
Of course, we know that's not actually what you think, seeing how exuberant you were when you thought Beni had endorsed you, his sarcasm flying waaaaay over your head.
I'm not surprised. Plenty of people think you're an awful debater as well. Glad we got that out of the way.
The ratios aren't the same at all. I can list an enormous fraction, possibly a majority, of the forum that has vouched for my debating ability, with documentation to back it up. You, on the other hand, very conveniently ran away from my challenge for you to find three debaters who think you're good.
Still don't read too well huh. Here's what I said:
Yeah, you tried to discount the credibility of the debaters who think you're sh*t by pointing to their age. It's obviously not a question of ability, so instead you point to prejudices, despite you consistently being more belligerent and obviously hostile than anyone else here. Nice.
But your point about cliques doesn't even matter because even the TOR crowd thinks you're an idiot. The only person who might think otherwise is Legend.
Weird, I've had enough chats outside KMC to say the same thing about you, except I don't misuse words like "everyone". But when you're called the Legend of anything, I think it becomes painfully obvious where you stand on the totem pole.
You see, the difference here is that I'm not bluffing when I say "everyone"; I've literally not run into anyone who thinks you're a good debater. Ever. Not even your friends. And though you may have found a few people who thinks poorly of me, the number who think I'm pretty good vastly outnumber it.
If you don't believe me, let's stop the talk and actually present our documentation, and see how the ratios compare. Of course, I know you don't want to do that.
Great job both proving my point AND ignoring it at the same time. You've been consistent with everything I've posted 😂
So you're refusing the challenge? Geez, I wonder why...mmm
Yep, so easy to bait. That's why I routinely exist when I see fit and stay until I'm bored. You on the other hand continue to post until you're banned. It takes an army of reports from multiple people to ban you twice in a month, the second for 30 days. Honestly I'm impresed. Then 30 days go by with perfectly rational arguments until you come back and begin the cycle anew. And the fact you need to call me insecure after I've already given you that label is amusing.
> mocks me for a few temp bans
> got perm banned in 100 different accounts
😆
I don't need to tell you that I didn't need to ask the mods of anything actually
Oh, I know full well what happened, and how someone else had to go begging for you. Doesn't change my point.
I'm perfectly comfortable with my life socially and financially
LMFAO, you sound just like Legend when he says that he's actually a really good debater. 😆
Saying "I'm perfectly comfortable with my life socially and financially" sounds so horribly cringey, I actually cringed when I read it.
Originally posted by MS WarehouseOnce again you repeat your same lackluster insults showing you are affected. You didn't address any of my points so you concede to them all. This is why you're mocked and have been perma'd fifty plus times. You're an obvious and deliberate idiot. You simply cannot help yourself.
Thank you Quan. I'm so honored that I could affect a 14 year old this much. If you want my autograph, just ask.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
I don't remember us having any debates.
We debated Sidious's most powerful sith quotes, Ziost vs. Force storms, and a bunch of other things. Of course, you'd never actually respond to arguments rather than just making vaguely incoherent remarks, but I'll illustrate it a little more later.
And I've never cared about popularity. I also don't recall when everybod turned against me. As far as the insults go, you did say this:I think it's been years no? At least stay consistent when you're banging your keyboard.
So first you say that you've **never** cared about popularity, and now you're discounting you caring in the past because that was years ago. 😆
No, you really can't. I'll allow you to try. The rationalizing should be priceless.
Tempest, Skillz, Joker, Syndicate, DMB, JkBart, Sinious, Ant, just off the top of my head.
See how I didn't hesitate to name names? Yet when I ask you, you mysteriously dodge the question. mmm
Nope, I questioned the objectivity more than credibility. Furthermore, credibility must be questioned if an objective measure is to be achieved. Try to keep up buddy.
As I pointed out, the disdain for you runs along every "camp". Even the TOR camp thinks your a joke. Maybe Legend is an exception, I dunno.
You're free to believe that. I know it keeps you sleeping soundly at night.
Notice how you don't actually respond to the point?
Where are those three debaters, Beefy?
So you ignore what I said about measuring credibility of voters and go back to a popularity contest? I've already called you an internet sensation guy, what else do you want? If you want to be a functional adult, we can have functional adult debates that don't evolve into "i'll post until the other poster stops" or "insults". I'm more than willing to entertain a debate where it is ONLY you and I because that's how nonthreatening I find you.
Fine, bring me your criteria for determining credibility, and then show me the debaters with the most under your criteria, and where they stand on you.
Because I've backed up my reasons with a rational argument while you continue to ignore everything in favor of a popularity contest? Hmmm
Rational argument? ROFLAMO! You literally responded to a contention with:
"You're free to believe that. I know it keeps you sleeping soundly at night."
This habit of not actually making logical statements, but just saying something really vague and snarky, is not new with you.
One gets banned for fighting with ush and creates a program to automate the sign up process to piss off Ush.
The other gets banned repeteadly for what can only be considered stupidity, after god knows how many reports nd warnings.
So it's stupid for me to make troll threads that amuse me, at the cost of a month off, while it's incredibly intelligent for you to have to pop in and out for years, with your posts constantly being deleted, all so you can pursue a grudge match with a mod? 😂
Sure it does. Go ask that same person if I asked to come back to the forum or not? Then you'll shut up or make something else up 😂
What? You didn't have to ask to come back to the forum - your creating accounts and then posting in them makes that clear enough. And you agreed to their terms, interestingly enough - so you obviously wanted to come back. Otherwise, what the hell are you doing here?
And you're compared to Legend, which is even funnier.
By how many people? Let's compare.
Oh, right - for the last page and a half you've carefully ignored all attempts to quantify your case in any meaningful way. I wonder why. mmm
No, it just means I find myself above you in every aspect of life
Seriously, stop making me cringe, it hurts. 😮
It's hilarious; for two pages I've asked Beefy the same question over and over again: find someone who actually thinks you're a good debater. And every time he's conveniently avoided answering it.
Of course, given his egotism, we all know he would instantly jump onto names and parade them if he could - but he doesn't. When Beni sarcastically called him a good debater, Beefy, not being one to understand sarcasm, was more excited than I've ever seen him before. But now he's mysteriously quiet about it.
I think this debate ended the minute you started making up things like "everyone hates you even in your camp". The bluff only works if I don't know what's going on, otherwise it makes you look like a bitter high school child. The rest of your post is full of rationalizing and just lying to yourself. I gave you a way out by deleting my post and offering an olive branch but I can see how angry you are since you must have been banging the refresh button on your keyboard. I had my reply up for literally 15-20 seconds.
So aside from ignoring anything that contradicts your beliefs, even if it is reality, you just come off as a bitter child that needs to make things up in order to make himself feel better.
I could take your approach and say a good number of people snicker about your posts and overall insecure personality behind your back, but I wouldn't want to hurt you. Furthermore, you'd probably deny anything exists if it doesn't coincide with your "reality". How awful you must look now when I've offered you an olive branch and you're still crying.
Of course, given his egotism, we all know he would instantly jump onto names and parade them if he could - but he doesn't. When Beni sarcastically called him a good debater, Beefy, not being one to understand sarcasm, was more excited than I've ever seen him before. But now he's mysteriously quiet about it.
Also ganging up with a 14 year old with a worse reputation than mine on these forums REALLY hurts your case, along with everything else.