PoD Bane vs. AotC Anakin

And yet Beefy still won't name anyone who thinks he's a good debater, or produce evidence of any kind. 😆

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When presented with an argument, normal debaters will go like:

I think your conclusion Y isn't sound because of reasons X, Y and Z.

And when asked for evidence, they'll, you know, provide evidence.

Beefy just goes like:

You'd like to believe that, sweetie. You're wrong, and you just don't know it.

🙄

Originally posted by The Ellimist
And yet Beefy still won't name anyone who thinks he's a good debater. 😆

When presented with an argument, normal debaters will go like:

I think your conclusion Y isn't sound because of reasons X, Y and Z.

And when asked for evidence, they'll, you know, provide evidence.

Beefy just goes like:

You'd like to believe that, sweetie. You're wrong, and you just don't know it.

🙄

As opposed to "these guys think I'm a good debater therefore I'm a good debater"
Or
"everyone hates you trust me even though I can't prove it but I'm angry enough to bluff my way into this predicament" 😂

So angry and bitter. It'll be ok Ellimist.

😂

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
I think this debate ended the minute you started making up things like "everyone hates you even in your camp". The bluff only works if I don't know what's going on, otherwise it makes you look like a bitter high school child. The rest of your post is full of rationalizing and just lying to yourself. I gave you a way out by deleting my post and offering an olive branch but I can see how angry you are since you must have been banging the refresh button on your keyboard. I had my reply up for literally 15-20 seconds.

So aside from ignoring anything that contradicts your beliefs, even if it is reality, you just come off as a bitter child that needs to make things up in order to make himself feel better.

I could take your approach and say a good number of people snicker about your posts and overall insecure personality behind your back, but I wouldn't want to hurt you. Furthermore, you'd probably deny anything exists if it doesn't coincide with your "reality". How awful you must look now when I've offered you an olive branch and you're still crying.

You obviously must have missed my sarcastic response or it just went over your head. This isn't surprising. Please continue talking about me while proving your ever growing insecurity 👆

Also ganging up with a 14 year old with a worse reputation than mine on these forums REALLY hurts your case, along with everything else.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
And yet Beefy still won't name anyone who thinks he's a good debater, or produce evidence of any kind. 😆

--------------------

When presented with an argument, normal debaters will go like:

I think your conclusion Y isn't sound because of reasons X, Y and Z.

And when asked for evidence, they'll, you know, provide evidence.

Beefy just goes like:

You'd like to believe that, sweetie. You're wrong, and you just don't know it.

🙄

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
As opposed to "these guys think I'm a good debater therefore I'm a good debater"
Or
"everyone hates you trust me even though I can't prove it but I'm angry enough to bluff my way into this predicament" 😂

So angry and bitter. It'll be ok Ellimist.

Thank you Quan. I aim to please 14 year olds that get butthurt when I make fun of their favorite characters. 👆

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
As opposed to "these guys think I'm a good debater therefore I'm a good debater"

That wasn't the question; the question was whether anybody thinks you're a good debater. If you want me to critique your argumentative practices independent of the consensus, I'd be happy to. But first, concede the former. Note that conceding the former doesn't mean you have to concede that it logically follows that you're a bad debater.

Or
"everyone hates you trust me even though I can't prove it but I'm angry enough to bluff my way into this predicament" 😂

A bluff? Ant, Tempest, Nova, Skillz, Zoltan, MythLord, myself - I could name more if you want. You've been living everyone's mockery of you.

Now what about the hypocrisy? Where is your evidence that people think I'm a bad debater? Oh, right - I've been asking for it for two pages now, and you've conveniently run away from it. Nice. 👆

So angry and bitter. It'll be ok Ellimist.

If I'm the angry one, why are you the one who gets into flame wars with eleven different people? mmm

That wasn't the question; the question was whether anybody thinks you're a good debater. If you want me to critique your argumentative practices independent of the consensus, I'd be happy to. But first, concede the former. Note that conceding the former doesn't mean you have to concede that it logically follows that you're a bad debater.

A bluff? Ant, Tempest, Nova, Skillz, Zoltan, MythLord, myself - I could name more if you want. You've been living everyone's mockery of you.

If I'm the angry one, why are you the one who gets into flame wars with eleven different people?

Now what about the hypocrisy? Where is your evidence that people think I'm a bad debater? Oh, right - I've been asking for it for two pages now, and you've conveniently run away from it. Nice. thumb up

And still you won't name names. 🤣

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
I'd wager that people do, since I do most of my debating in the political forum. Aside from yesterday, I haven't debated on this forum in years.

You've been active on this forum for far longer, and given your hatred for trolling, I'm assuming you were genuinely trying to debate when you posted your opinions and disagreed with people on a debate forum.

But once again, no evidence. Just a vague "wager" that I know you wouldn't actually place.

If I ask someone for an objective analysis of your debating skills, I doubt I'd get a single reasonable response other than "he just is".

Wrong.

Oh boy, the irony of you posting some of those names as a source of MY mockery.. If you only knew rofl. There's a reason you have been banned twice or 3 times in the past 2 months and it has nothing to do with me.

Even if I were to take your hilariously unbelievable bluff seriously, I got reported for making troll threads. That doesn't relate to my debating ability. Try to stay on topic please.

(BTW, given your KMC record of like 60 bans in a month, 3 temp bans in 2 should have your jaw hanging in envy.)

You mean 2-3 people? Because I know I can get a rise out of young kids and watch them spend the day talking about me? As presented, like clockwork 😂

Ah, so when you go out and insult people, you're just "getting a rise", but when those people respond in kind*, they're being "angry and bitter". 😆

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Spoiler:
Because you know that you are the one who suddenly insulted me out of nowhere in a thread about Zakuul or something. Prior I hadn't said a single bad word about you.

Even if I were to take your hilariously unbelievable bluff seriously, I got reported for making troll threads. That doesn't relate to my debating ability. Try to stay on topic please.

(BTW, given your KMC record of like 60 bans in a month, 3 temp bans in 2 should have your jaw hanging in envy.)

Ellimist: High tier-extremely high tier all around. KMC.

h, so when you go out and insult people, you're just "getting a rise", but when those people respond in kind*, they're being "angry and bitter".

You've been active on this forum for far longer, and given your hatred for trolling, I'm assuming you were genuinely trying to debate when you posted your opinions and disagreed with people on a debate forum.

Because you know that you are the one who suddenly insulted me out of nowhere in a thread about Zakuul or something. Prior I hadn't said a single bad word about you.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Thank you Quan. I aim to please 14 year olds that get butthurt when I make fun of their favorite characters. 👆

And Beefy still won't give a single piece of evidence. Barring edits, he literally deleted my pointing this out from his reply. 😆

Have you ever considered a career in politics? That way you can dodge questions for a living.

I will say that it's funny for you to accuse me of being easy to bait, when you were literally engaging in wall of text flame fests with an Intrepid sock. 🤣

Of course, that embarrassing part where you thought Beni was seriously complimenting you, yeah...you deleted that from your replies earlier too, eh?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
And Beefy still won't give a single piece of evidence. He literally deleted my pointing this out from his reply. 😆

Have you ever considered a career in politics? That way you can dodge questions for a living.

I will say that it's funny for you to accuse me of being easy to bait, when you were literally engaging in wall of text flame fests with an Intrepid sock. 🤣

Of course, that embarrassing part where you thought Beni was seriously complimenting you, yeah...you deleted that from your replies earlier too, eh?

No, everyone can read my reply just fine as well as see the sarcasm that went over your head.

Btw I'm on page 4 and so far I've seen 1 mention of you as a good debater, and that's the very first post on the very first page. Either you have trouble understanding what a "majority" constitutes, or you're insecure to the point where you're flat out lying to yourself and everyone else. 😆

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Yes, my bans involve getting in a fight with ush, yours involve stupidity. Not a good number for you 👆

You do realize how bad you look to "everyone" the more and more you post right? "Everyone" can see that I just have to say 1 or 2 things to you and then watch you ***** and moan for pages and hours at a time, showing your insecurity by invoking a popularity contest. The simple fact that you need help from quan is even worse. Like I said, I get a rise out of you then leave while you continue talking about how everyone hates me or whatever it is to make yourself feel better. I think it's funny. Is it sane? probably not.

Weird, I have people disagree with me on a daily basis regarding social issues and yet the discussions are rational.. Hmmm I wonder what the difference is.

I don't remember that but I'm fairly certain I apologized to you about 20 minutes ago via PM for being a dick. I think it was one of the weakest moments of my life 👆

Hahaha, you apologized you emotional fraud. You aren't who you portray yourself to be nor can you back your claims of being respected.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Btw I'm on page 4 and so far I've seen 1 mention of you as a good debater

Is your impairment with counting, reading, or both?

Originally posted by Syndicate
Was thinking about this recently so I though I'd post the best debaters that come to mind.

Ellimist: High tier-extremely high tier all around. KMC.
EmperorDMB: At his peak when debating BT characters but mid-high tier everywhere else. KMC/Comic Vine.
DarthAnt: At his peak when debating KOTOR/SWTOR specifically when debating Malak/Revan. Mid tier everywhere else. KMC/Comic Vine.
ILS: At his peak when debating Maul/Savage but high tier everywhere else. KMC/Comic Vine.
ZiggyStardust: At his peak when debating Exar Kun and Ulic but high tier everywhere else. Comic Vine.

These are honestly the 5 best debaters in their chosen fields I've encountered in my time on versus forums which has been around 5 years now on about 6 different forums, 4 of which I'm active on.

Who are your top 5?

Originally posted by |King Joker|
In no particular order:

The Ellimist
DarthBae66
DMB
ILS
ShootingNova

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Excluding myself, my top five would be Silver, Ant, ILS, Ellimist, and Tempest

Originally posted by JKBart
He would be in an extended TOP 10.

1. ILS
2. Tempest / Nova
3. Ant
4. Carthage / SirFizzWhizz
5. Intrupid37
6. Beni
7. AncientPower / Ellimist
8. DMB
9. Stigma
10. DC

Originally posted by Aurbere
It's hard not to discuss Tempest without coming off as odd. He's extremely brilliant and wizened. He's not usually one to crush you under the weight of his argument, but do so while destroying you with even the slightest mistake you might make. It just comes off so easy for him. And I've seen him at work. Even on the fly he can weave incredible arguments and best nearly every one on the lists presented so far.

Nova, in my opinion, is the opposite. He creates huge arguments and crushes you under them. It's something of a standard now. While not entirely attributable to him, he is pretty much the best at it.

Ell's good. Very good. He presents logical and well thought out arguments. He's just rough around the edges. Not as refined as myself or, dare I say it, Tempest.

This is just in the first two pages. And this took me like thirty seconds to skim. Seriously, you might be the most incompetent debater KMC has ever seen.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
And Beefy still won't give a single piece of evidence. Barring edits, he literally deleted my pointing this out from his reply. 😆

Have you ever considered a career in politics? That way you can dodge questions for a living.

I will say that it's funny for you to accuse me of being easy to bait, when you were literally engaging in wall of text flame fests with an Intrepid sock. 🤣

Of course, that embarrassing part where you thought Beni was seriously complimenting you, yeah...you deleted that from your replies earlier too, eh?

Holy shit, I was expecting a trove of people Ellimist. You were mentioned3-4 times....That's it. And that's without any kind of analysis. So you got a nod from a few people on a forum you dominate with text? And you're sitting here talking about a "majority"? Wow honestly I'm incredibly disappointed. This was much easier than I thought it was going to be. The amount of lying you've done to yourself is groundbreaking. I hope you've been joking the past 20 minutes because besides your angrly schoolgirl outbursts, you're looking less sane by the minute. You really are as dumb as advertised 😂

Btw, on almost every list you were put on, so was DMB. Wow that's amazing.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Is your impairment with counting, reading, or both?

This is just in the first two pages. And this took me like thirty seconds to skim. Seriously, you might be the most incompetent debater KMC has ever seen.

He really is the worst. Best part is this mocking will keep him coming back all the while he will insist you want the last word.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Holy shit, I was expecting a trove of people Ellimist. You were mentioned in the first post, and then by Joker and....That's it.

Seriously, all you needed to do was go control + f to find more people than that on the first page alone. And notice that the mods aren't here to delete all your embarrassing blunders anymore; people are seeing you fail at basic counting.

Spoiler:
That your name does not come up once is, of course, something we don't have to mention, for the sake of your sanity.