Novel Vitiate vs SoR Revan

Started by UCanShootMyNova6 pages

And that's fine because I'm not out to prove how amped Vitiate was. You are and I'm telling you I don't agree. You can't really say anything to that except "Ok." Since we both don't have evidence to support our stances.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
And that's fine because I'm not out to prove how amped Vitiate was. You are and I'm telling you I don't agree. You can't really say anything to that except "Ok." Since we both don't have evidence to support our stances.
Ok, stalemate then?

*Shrug*

I mean, the point was for you to prove your stance and since you can't do that I'm not going to be changing mine. But if you want to call it that.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
*Shrug*

I mean, the point was for you to prove your stance and since you can't do that I'm not going to be changing mine. But if you want to call it that.

Nor can you prove yours. 😬

But I wasn't attempting to. You don't need to prove a negative.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
But I wasn't attempting to.
I never made the point that it was a multiplier though, all I was arguing was that Vitiate was amped.

You also can't prove that the amp he received he recieved was negligible, so what is the point to this argument? :/

You said he was "heavily amped." This would only be true if it was multiplicative rather then a direct add on which we've seen doesn't put Scourge beyond Meetra and thus if it's an add on can not amp him substantially given he's infinitely more powerful then Scourge and Meetra and such an addition to his own power would be negligible.

I don't have to prove whether it's negligible or not because it was you who was making the claim that it was substantial.

bumperino

I could see Revan winning, tbh.

Nah. SoR Revan's just a Revan Reborn that has had his soul split in two and been drained for hundreds of years by Vitiate and the Dread Lords.

With both halves united, I mean. Like we saw him at the very end of SoR, though in his own body of course.

Still just a Reborn Revan that's been drained for hundreds of years.

Revan.

Revan wins

SoR Revan is a weaker version of the Revan that got his ass kicked in the novel - pray tell, how and why this bout will be any different from the last, where he failed to harm [with his own power] or even get close to Vitiate?

And pls, no nexus arguments. At least 2-3 sources state Revan calls on both the light and the dark side of the Force, so he was hardly hindered to any worthwhile extent, nor did the text make any allusion to it, during the fight.

I mean, there's several avenues for an argument even if I didn't want to make them. For one, there's a lot of evidence that LS HOT faced a fairly strong Vitiate, Neph argued it frequently. If Revan is significantly above the SOR HOT (which he is, tbh), then he could arguably take a more powerful Vitiate sans Dromund Kaas nexus.

Personally? I find SOR Revan and Revan reborn fairly similar in power levels. Thing is, even though Vitiate had time to prepare for the attempt on his life (i.e. Time to gather his power) and was on an extraordinarily potent Nexus, Revan still made it to Vitiate. The fight from there on is much more in Revan's favour, given his massive advantage in the sabers department. This matchup is without the nexus, prep, and gap that Vitiate had in the novel, all factors that favoured him. Take them out, I'd say Revan has a decent shot at closing the gap and cutting Vitiate down.

The whole incorporeal horse shit is another matter, but nobody worth their salt as a debater should ever consider it anyway.

Vitiate beats Revan yet again.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Vitiate beats Revan yet again.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
SoR Revan is a weaker version of the Revan that got his ass kicked in the novel - pray tell, how and why this bout will be any different from the last, where he failed to harm [with his own power] or even get close to Vitiate?

And pls, no nexus arguments. At least 2-3 sources state Revan calls on both the light and the dark side of the Force, so he was hardly hindered to any worthwhile extent, nor did the text make any allusion to it, during the fight.

Nexuses hinder light side and boost dark side, which means only half of him was boosted, so I guess you could say he just at his average power.

SoR Revan stated he was more powerful multiple times and his performance in combat supports that.

There is no reason to think that Revan Reborn, who was drugged heavily, while Vitiate was prepared and ready for his attack, while also having ALL his power boosted instead of just half of it.

Revan, he has the skillset to deal with Novel Vitiate(teleportation, Barriers) Pretty sure he would of learnt all he could in countering Vitiate(while imprisoned for 300 years, just it was unfortunate for Revan that Vitiate grew as well.

Also, I don't think Vitiate draining Revan matters, as he was described as a cyst growing ever larger, meaning he regained his strength. Possibly when he was affecting the very tapestry of the force in the Jedi and sith. It is possibly he was affecting their connections to the force or draining them, on a galactic level, its doubtful though.