Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
And why is he more powerful when Vitiate's been draining him of Force energy for hundreds of years?
Granted, once Revan was released, he noted he was weaker than Act II Hero between all that's happened to him, but it's clear he recovered his strength by Shadow of Revan, especially since it's stated that Revan was a presence growing ever stronger in the Force and was disrupting the galactic balance of the Force by simply existing, an incredible feat.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Provide evidence that Meetra's support was equivalent to the energy Vitiate and the Dread Lords drained from Revan and maybe I'll be more amenable.
I'm completely not following. Drain isn't permanent. It's not removing Revan's midichlorians. Thus, why does drain have anything to do with SoR Revan's powers?
Regardless, here: "As the Emperor fed off him, Meetra was allowing Revan to feed off her. Her sustenance strengthened his resolve whenever he grew weak, refreshing and restoring him so he could continue his never-ending mental war."
Causing disturbances in the Force and people having felt his growth in power are Savage Opress level feats.
Actually, there's a significant distinction between the feats. When I mean significant, I mean there's no comparison that can even be drawn between the two.
Revan's "growth" wasn't just someone with connections to Savage feeling a threat rising. Revan's growth was affecting the galactic "tapestry" of the Force itself, forcing the Force to "roil and convulse" like Sith scholars have never seen on record. Lana Beniko thought that the Force was being affected to such an extent that she mused she may be going mad. This demonstrates the level of power that SoR Revan is capable of - without him even doing anything besides simply existing in the galaxy.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Provide evidence that Meetra's support was equivalent to the energy Vitiate and the Dread Lords drained from Revan and maybe I'll be more amenable.Causing disturbances in the Force and people having felt his growth in power are Savage Opress level feats.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm completely not following. Drain isn't permanent. It's not removing Revan's midichlorians. Thus, why does drain have anything to do with SoR Revan's powers?
Because it's going to take him a long time to completely replenish his Force energies after being drained by Vitiate and the Dread Lords. Also, such a statement from you is a little hypocritical given you implied Revan being drugged over a long period of time would somehow hinder his recovery rate.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Given he was consistently drugged for three years, probably a decent amount of time.
If that's the case I don't know why you wouldn't believe the same would apply to Revan being drained.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Regardless, here: "As the Emperor fed off him, Meetra was allowing Revan to feed off her. Her sustenance strengthened his resolve whenever he grew weak, refreshing and restoring him so he could continue his never-ending mental war."Actually, there's a significant distinction between the feats. When I mean significant, I mean there's no comparison that can even be drawn between the two.
Revan's "growth" wasn't just someone with connections to Savage feeling a threat rising. Revan's growth was affecting the galactic "tapestry" of the Force itself, forcing the Force to "roil and convulse" like Sith scholars have never seen on record. Lana Beniko thought that the Force was being affected to such an extent that she mused she may be going mad. This demonstrates the level of power that SoR Revan is capable of - without him even doing anything besides simply existing in the galaxy. [/B]
Also, taking a page from your book, Meetra "strengthening" Revan doesn't mean she counteracted Vitiate and the DL's drain completely. In fact, the quote implies that it only allowed Revan to subsist and keep from breaking mentally.
Sorry, but just because a lot of fancy words were used to describe Revan's "disturbance in the Force" doesn't change the fact that that's what it was. I find it funny ( and a little sad ) that the conclusion you drew from Lana's quote was that she was going mad simply from Revan's existence rather then what she was clearly referencing, the fact that because she was among the few to sense this disturbance she thought she was mad because she had nobody to confirm that this disturbance was real and not a figment of her imagination.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Act II Hero is exactly strong enough to get destroyed along with three similarly strong Jedi by Vitiate with a casual hand wave. He's closer to Meetra Surik than Revan, honestly. 😂
Because it's going to take him a long time to completely replenish his Force energies after being drained by Vitiate and the Dread Lords. Also, such a statement from you is a little hypocritical given you implied Revan being drugged over a long period of time would somehow hinder his recovery rate.
As someone who never played SWTOR, I again question why you're debating it when your debates are rooted in ignorance.
The gap of time between Revan's release from prison and Shadow of Revan is six years.
Further, almost all of that time was exclusively spent by Revan essentially alone by himself, presumably doing nothing but building the Revanites up and becoming stronger in the Force.
If that's the case I don't know why you wouldn't believe the same would apply to Revan being drained.
For whatever reason, it seems you think Revan got out of prison, died on the Foundry, then immediately rebounded in Shadow of Revan.
Also, taking a page from your book, Meetra "strengthening" Revan doesn't mean she counteracted Vitiate and the DL's drain completely. In fact, the quote implies that it only allowed Revan to subsist and keep from breaking mentally.
I never stated Revan counteracted the drain. Instead, I said the opposite when Revan remarked that he got out of prison and only had the power of the Act II Hero of Tython. However, my point was that he did defend against the majority of the drain, and just presumably days after he was released, he was already at enough power to be considered the most powerful Jedi in the history of the Order, and then, again, he had six years of further growth and replenishment without any outside interference that would be affecting him in any way.
Sorry, but just because a lot of fancy words were used to describe Revan's "disturbance in the Force" doesn't change the fact that that's what it was.
Take the destruction of Alderaan. That was a "disturbance in the Force." That did not fundamentally change the tapestry of the Force. Even if we, without reason, say it did, we can conclude that it only did for a brief moment - Revan's presence maintained this perversion of the Force until he was killed.
I find it funny ( and a little sad ) that the conclusion you drew from Lana's quote was that she was going mad simply from Revan's existence rather then what she was clearly referencing, the fact that because she was among the few to sense this disturbance she thought she was mad because she had nobody to confirm that this disturbance was real and not a figment of her imagination.
Interesting. Typically, when I debate something I'm not familiar with, I at least get some context behind quotes. The context behind Lana Beniko remarking "If I'm wrong, it means my instincts are now deeply flawed" was not referring to Revan's disturbance, but rather something different. Lana then mentioned Revan's disturbance as a possibility for why she might be wrong in this situation.
Full quote: "I hope this correspondence finds you well. As promised, I have been looking to substantiate the claims I made when last we spoke. The suspect did recently show an unexpected interest in the transport of a shipment of isotope-5 originating from Makeb, but no actions were taken to reroute or tamper with the delivery in any way, and it arrived safely at its destination on Darth Marr's flagship. The whole matter seems to be nothing more than an idle curiosity regarding the maneuverings of others. I want to assure you that this furtive pursuit grants me no satisfaction. If I'm right about my claims, I've lost a close ally. If I'm wrong, it means my instincts are now deeply flawed. Considering the strange disturbance I sense that continues to pervade the Force, I worry that these concerns are merely the figments of a deranged mind. All that stands clear to me now is that I must find the answer, no matter the consequence. Forgive me if this message comes off as overly candid or ponderous; I have no one else with whom I can share this burden. May the Force ever serve you, Lana."
Your explanation is so out-of-context I can't even fathom how you would bring it up, let alone how you thought it would face the scrutiny of someone who actually played the game. Further, this was not something Lana felt alone. There were numerous reports of Jedi and Sith, ranging from rather weak ones to powerful ones, feeling this disturbance.
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I must say, the users thinking you're doing even decent in this discussion must have never played the game, or just assumed you knew what you were talking about, since you've been outright wrong on almost every assumption you've made in this debate thus far, and I only imagine it's going to get worse.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Your explanation is so out-of-context I can't even fathom how you would bring it up, let alone how you thought it would face the scrutiny of someone who actually played the game. Further, this was not something Lana felt alone. There were numerous reports of Jedi and Sith, ranging from rather weak ones to powerful ones, feeling this disturbance.
Lmao. MY explanation is out of context when the quote directly states that she believes it's a possibility that her instincts have become "deeply flawed" and then goes on to state in the next sentence that the disturbances she's sensing may be the figments of a deranged mind, yet your assumption that it's these disturbances that are causing her to go mad are completely reasonable? Right.
I'll address the rest of this when I get back but I couldn't help but respond to the most laughable part of your post after a brief skim.