Nicholas Cage (Next) vs Captain America

Started by h1a811 pages
Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes we are, Cage doesn't have superspeed, he can only dodge at normal human speed, which is slower than Captain America.

Which is slower than a bullet too. But he still managed to dodge without superspeed.

Originally posted by h1a8
Which is slower than a bullet too. But he still managed to dodge without superspeed.

He dodged the shooter, not the bullet.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He dodged the shooter, not the bullet.
Correction! He dodged the aim of the shooter right before the shooter pulled the trigger. Cage can dodge the aim of Cap before Cap pulls the trigger.

He knew when and where the shooter would fire his weapon. So he dodged right before that happened. He just wasn't where the guy was going to shoot at because he knew where he'd aim. He didn't dodge a bullet.

Cris Johnson's ability to foresee the future and react accordingly should net him a win in both rounds, especially when he's armed with a gun.

He could potentially lose the first, as he's probably not strong enough to take down Cap with punches even if he has brass knuckls.

Cap can just outlast Cage in round 1. No amount of precog can give you superhuman stamina (which Cap has in spades), so he can predict and dodge until he gets tired, at which point he is screwed. And regular human + knuckleduster is not going to seriously hurt Cap when it has taken things like repeated blows from WS' metal arm to do genuine damage.

As Rogers said in CA:TFA and CA:CW, "I can do this all day."

Even with precog, I don't think he can move fast enough to evade more than a few hits from Cap before his speed becomes too much for him.

YouTube video

They were fighting as fast as the actors could move their bodies, no SFX was used to make it seem like they were fighting at enhanced or superspeeds.

Rogers' durability and stamina would net him the win in R1; not his speed, imo.

Originally posted by h1a8
Correction! He dodged the aim of the shooter right before the shooter pulled the trigger. Cage can dodge the aim of Cap before Cap pulls the trigger.

Cap won't be shooting at him.

Cap takes both, 'nuff said, end this shit faced thread

Originally posted by Silent Master
Cap won't be shooting at him.

Trigger = synapses in brain. The moment Cap triggers the synapse in his brain to punch at Chris face.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Cap takes both, 'nuff said, end this shit faced thread

How? Cris would easily murder Cap in 2. Fight 1 is a debate.

Cage always wins. Always.

Originally posted by h1a8
How? Cris would easily murder Cap in 2. Fight 1 is a debate.

LOL!!!

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes we are, Cage doesn't have superspeed, he can only dodge at normal human speed, which is slower than Captain America.

To dodge an attack you only need to move a fraction of the attack's speed. Punches are faster than dodges and parries and dodges/parries can happen after the attack is launched.

Caps fist must accelerate from 0 to full speed. That means the moment he first moves his hand to punch Chris will have time to dodge the aim. Cage can begin to dodge a microsecond before Cap hands even move.

Stepping to the side really only helps avoid attacks that move in a straight line, are you under the impression that Cap is only going to be using jabs and front kicks?

Besides, Cap is faster and a better fighter than Cris, that means he'll be able to dodge or block every attack Cris tries.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Stepping to the side really only helps avoid attacks that move in a straight line, are you under the impression that Cap is only going to be using jabs and front kicks?

Besides, Cap is faster and a better fighter than Cris, that means he'll be able to dodge or block every attack Cris tries.

Chris will only throw a punch if he sees Cap getting hit. It will mostly be a counterattack. Chris has experience fighting as shown in the diner scene. Any attack can be parried, blocked, or dodged. Chris can duck, block, parry any attack from Cap.

Chris can also hit Caps wrist or ankles with the brass with the block. Basically, the block becomes the strike.

Plus Cap will probably be holding back somewhat because he thinks he's fighting a normal human.

Cage after many trial and error in scenario 2 only. In the first instance...he doesn't have the power to put cap down. Cap has eaten multiple blows from ultron, iron man and bucky's arm. None of them have knocked Steve out. Cage with brass knucks can hit him till his arms get tired. Then no future sight will save him once he is exhausted.

Why are we debating this?

Nick can see 2 min into the future, that means anything Cap does will be nullified by Nick's future sight.

The only reason Cap wins round one is because Nick's character doesn't have neither the strength or stamina to outlast Cap.