Anakin Skywalker vs Darth Vader

Started by Ursumeles15 pages
Ursumeles Traitor

1. He was also a shadow of his former self. And yes, that means RotS Kenobi > ANH Kenobi.
2. Being above Galen as a duelist.
3. He has. @Ant Do you know in which therad?
4. Which quotes say that he declined? Lol.
5. Ok
6. *Wollf. He gave me a scan, which proved Kenobi > Rivi-Anu. I asked him already.
7. And K-Krukh manipulated big ships. And Dooku >>> Vos >> K'Krukh.
8. No and no.

UCanShootMyNova Senior Member

1. No, it doesn't. He's confirmed to have become more powerful and degraded in skill which is what the quote is likely referring to.
2. No, it would't. Vader is confirmed to be faster then Obi Wan a year after RotS and Galen is in turned confirmed to be faster then him. While Obi Wan may or may not be more skilled that's not relevant against an opponent with superior augmentation.
3. The quote does not refer to Obi Wan traits in total.
4. None, I'm just noting that Starkiller was the last lightsaber wielding foe he faced and that he may have declined during that period. Regardless there's nothing suggesting he's better.
6. Go ahead. Get him to post it.
7. Dooku is > Vos who is > K'Krukh a year before he accomplished this feat. Regardless you'd need to specify the exact superiority each individual had over each other to be able to measure this feat against others. All we know is that it's likely Dooku is capable of better then the ship manipulating feat to an unknown extent.
8. Yes and yes.

Rebel95 Senior Member

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/canon-darth-vader-respect-thread-1715394/

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Check out his feats and accolades in these respect threads 👆

Rebel95 Senior Member

Originally posted by Ursumeles
1. He was also a shadow of his former self.

What's your excuse for this then?
"Many years later, Obi-Wan and Darth Vader duel a second time. The Sith Lord is now more experienced and powerful."

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Vader being more powerful than Mustafar Anakin doesn't mean he's better than peak ROTS Anakin.

Ursumeles Traitor

Originally posted by Rebel95
What's your excuse for this then?
"Many years later, Obi-Wan and Darth Vader duel a second time. The Sith Lord is now more experienced and powerful."

That obviously refers to Mustafar Vader.

Rebel95 Senior Member

I know, and pre suit Vader is stated in several sources to have grown in power after tapping into the darkside. So you must be suggesting that his power just magically dissapeared during his fight on Mustafar?

Ursumeles Traitor

Yes. Ask canon. Or logic.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Pre-suit Darth Vader is still referred as Anakin Skywalker by most sources.

Ursumeles Traitor

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Pre-suit Darth Vader is still referred as Anakin Skywalker by most sources.

That doesn't matter in the context.

Still, Mustafar Vader is stated to be hindered, and it would be kinda strange when Anakin is mopre powerful than Dooku, who ragdolled Kenobi, and then statlematesk Kenobi in a TK battle mmm

Rebel95 Senior Member

Vader lost to Kenobi because he was arrogant and reckless, he learned his lesson.

Unless you can find something that states his power diminished due to his emotional state, you can't disprove the quote I provided.

Ursumeles Traitor

LMAO

Rebel95 Senior Member

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Pre-suit Darth Vader is still referred as Anakin Skywalker by most sources.

That's irrelevant. It says Vader is more experienced and powerful now than he was before the suit.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Uh, the fact Anakin's TK directly matched Kenobi's instead of outright dominating him is proof that his power diminished. 😬

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Originally posted by Rebel95
That's irrelevant. It says Vader is more experienced and powerful now than he was before the suit.

No, the context is referring to the Mustafar fight.

It's saying Vader is more powerful now than he was last time.

I would know - I found the quote you're citing. 👆

Rebel95 Senior Member

Yeah and Anakin is stated to have grown in power after tapping into the darkside, so Vader>pre suit Vader>Anakin

Rebel95 Senior Member

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Uh, the fact Anakin's TK directly matched Kenobi's instead of outright dominating him is proof that his power diminished. 😬

Or that his force powers aren't as great as you think they are.

Rebel95 Senior Member

What's the quote stating that he was hindered on Mustafar?

Ursumeles Traitor

Originally posted by Rebel95
Or that his force powers aren't as great as you think they are.

1. Anakin is stated to be > Dooku.
2. Dooku ragdolls Kenobi.
3. Kenobi and Anakin statlemate in a TK battle.
Conclusion: Mustafar Anakin > Standart Anakin.
Wait...that doesn't makes sense mmm

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Originally posted by Rebel95
Yeah and Anakin is stated to have grown in power after tapping into the darkside, so Vader>pre suit Vader>Anakin

Pre-suit Darth Vader is identified as Anakin Skywalker in most sources. Not until his physical transformation can be truly be considered Darth Vader, since Anakin dies alongside Padme.

So, sources that state Darth Vader grew in dark side power doesn't include pre-suit, since he's still identified as Anakin Skywalker. 👆

Originally posted by Rebel95
Or that his force powers aren't as great as you think they are.

Considering the same person who wrote the TK scene also states Anakin is more powerful than Yoda, no.