Vader can not embarrass Ashoka TanoFirst off we are discussing Legends Vader, so Canon isn't really relevant here. But regardless I'll humour you, considering we all know that this debate is just a front for you to lowball little Annie, and maybe wank Jinn on the side.
Speaking of Jinn, I'm afraid he's inferior to Ahsoka by quite a sad margin.
Let's evaluate the evidence, namely by using Maul as a measuring stick. Once again I await evidence that he is past his prime in Rebels, but even assuming for a moment that to be the case, he's clearly still in good fighting shape, with the potential added benefit of a DS nexus, more to the point, the Maul Jinn faced was before his prime, having grown more powerful since his revival, and steadily stronger over the course of TCW.
So where Jinn had a foot in the grave against an (injured) pre-prime Maul withholding the full capabilities of his lightsaber, Ahsoka stonewalled a potentially nexus-amped Maul using the full extent of his weapon for four times the duration. After the fact Jinn was left battered and heaving like an abused whore, while Ahsoka went off to fight Vader without breaking a sweat. Even someone as mentally handicapped as you can work out who is better, and it's not Jinn.
As far as that concerns Vader? Well though he did not embarrass Ahsoka in their subsequent fight, he nonetheless maintained a decisive edge over her, so considering how vastly inferior Jinn is to Tano in comparison, I rather think he'd screw him over pretty badly, wouldn't you?
Again, I stand by my original premise:
Qui-Gon was rendered a 30 second affair by the weakest of Palpatine's apprentices, logic dictates that the strongest would give him an even greater spanking.And so far you've failed pretty tragically to demonstrate otherwise.
Qui Gon Jinn's Embarrassment at the Hands of Vader - The ReasoningI would like to think that yes, Marek's augmentative ability is largely relative to his overall strength as a Force user. In which case well exceeding that of Maul, and therefore begs proof of his ability to overpower such a person.
In relation to which you made a rather poor attempt to prove Marek an exception to his logic (despite being described as a near perfect duelist.) Don't assume your equally poor attempt to circumvent my counter-response has gone unnoticed. It's still ready and waiting for you on the other page. But naturally I'm sure your just gathering your sources.
While your doing that though let's revisit the topic of Shaak Ti, who 1. was considered one of the greatest swordmasters in the order, and in that respect is certainly in Jinn's league 2. backed by the power of a planetary nexus, and without any indication of decline in physicality or skill (instead in communion with a planet so saturated in the Force, probably got stronger) undoubtedly outstrips his capabilities.
You argue that Ti "decimated" Marek regardless, and yet the last time I checked, it was the latter who came out of it alive. Yeah, I'm afraid that's bullshit. Marek did indeed recoil at the force of her opening salvo, but much like Ahsoka couldn't maintain her initial advantage against Vader in their duel, neither did Ti possess the stamina to do so here, instead for the vast majority of the bout they appear fight evenly, despite Ti possessing and abusing the terrain advantage, and having vast planetary reserves at her disposal. On the other hand even with a last-ditch suicidal attempt to overpower him, she failed to fully penetrate his defences.
Moreover after the fact Marek strength increased dramatically:
Taken from The Force Unleashed novelisationTHE APPRENTICE CROUCHED FACEDOWN in the snow, surrounded by rubble. His breath came in agonized, short gasps, but he was grateful for each one. He should be dead. That blow should have killed anyone. The fact that he was breathing testified to one mistake his Master had made. He had been rebuilt tougher than before.
Taken from The Force Unleashed novelisationHe whirled and leapt, filling the air with reflected energy. All thought ceased; his connection to the Force became deeper than it ever had been before.
Taken from The Force Unleashed novelisationThe troopers started firing before he had taken two paces toward them. They were dead long before he reached the door, killed by their own reflected fire. The Imperial Guard lasted barely as long, felled with four swift lightsaber strokes then shocked with lightning as he dropped backward to the ground. The apprentice' nodded, satisfied that his skills had improved since Nar Shaddaa.
Taken from The Force Unleashed novelisationOr in other words, by the point of his mission to Felucia, Marek is already powerful enough to decisively beat Jinn, after growing far more powerful he would embarrass him, as would Vader by association."I'm not wearing out," he said. "The moorings were tough, but I feel stronger than ever now. It gets easier, I think, the harder you try. The Force is stronger than anything we can imagine. We're the ones who limit it, not the other way around."
Comparatively, Jinn could send shudders through Maul's body with his strikes.
Originally posted by Beniboybling👆
[...] another misreading, the source material states that "Our blows send shudders through my body", something that proves nothing more than the fact that basic physics are in play, not that they are close in physical ability, they are not.