Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I actually like Anakin quite a bit as he's one of my favorite SW characters. Realistically I rank him about Malgus/Dooku/Bane level. I just find this Anakin >= Sidious/Yoda crap absolutely retarded and seek to give a slap on the wrist to Anakin wankers.
Nobody here is arguing that he would beat Sidious/Yoda in a fight or that he compares with them in overall mastery, but there are several quotes which flatly state that he's on that level in terms of power, and it simply isn't reasonable to just pretend that they don't exist.
Like the fact that he had trouble even perceiving Sidious and that he's blatantly not the most powerful of the Jedi since in mid-combat he was only capable of landing a force push on Dooku compared to Sidious outright choking the Count mid TCW and Yoda nearly matching RotS Sidious in a Force lock. Or that he's blatantly not the fastest of the Jedi since before Anakin switched to Djem So Dooku was handling both him and Obi Wan just fine while Yoda has beaten an amped Dooku as quickly as he did to a Dooku he was trying to capture in AotC and actually disarmed a being Anakin had trouble perceiving. Or that the duelist tier ranking is inherently flawed having put Mace on the same level as Sidious despite Sidious being able to blitz both Tiin and Kolar without Mace being able to move at all to help them.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Like the fact that he had trouble even perceiving Sidious
I'm pretty sure he had trouble seeing Mace and Sidious, which hardly matters since Jedi don't really fight with their eyes.
and that he's blatantly not the most powerful of the Jedi since in mid-combat he was only capable of landing a force push on Dooku compared to Sidious outright choking the Count mid TCW
Who said Anakin was Sidious-tier in TK?
and Yoda nearly matching RotS Sidious in a Force lock. Or that he's blatantly not the fastest of the Jedi since before Anakin switched to Djem So Dooku was handling both him and Obi Wan just fine
You mean while they were using ploy forms that they never practice or fight with to get Dooku to underestimate them, and while Anakin was holding back?
When Anakin got somewhat serious, Dooku was struggling to hold onto his lightsaber. The script says that Obi Wan and Dooku tire while Anakin only grows stronger - of course, we know that he doesn't truly let go until Dooku's dun moch backfires.
while Yoda has beaten an amped Dooku as quickly as he did to a Dooku he was trying to capture in AotC and actually disarmed a being Anakin had trouble perceiving. Or that the duelist tier ranking is inherently flawed having put Mace on the same level as Sidious despite Sidious being able to blitz both Tiin and Kolar without Mace being able to move at all to help them.
Well, the duelist tier ranking probably considers the Mace Windu that we see defeating Sidious, .i.e. the amped one.
In either case, none of these have anything to do with the question of whether Anakin is as powerful as Yoda.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
I'm pretty sure he had trouble seeing Mace and Sidious, which hardly matters since Jedi don't really fight with their eyes.Who said Anakin was Sidious-tier in TK?
You mean while they were using ploy forms that they never practice or fight with to get Dooku to underestimate them, and while Anakin was holding back?
When Anakin got somewhat serious, Dooku was struggling to hold onto his lightsaber. The script says that Obi Wan and Dooku tire while Anakin only grows stronger - of course, we know that he doesn't truly let go until Dooku's dun moch backfires.
Well, the duelist tier ranking probably considers the Mace Windu that we see defeating Sidious, .i.e. the amped one.
In either case, none of these have anything to do with the question of whether Anakin is as powerful as Yoda.
Force users can generally physically see their opponents though. And Anakin has visually seen sublight fighters along with Obi Wan. It doesn't mean they can move at those speeds themselves.
You apparently?!
Who said they were holding back aside from not using their main form? The novel notes that Anakin himself was growing frustrated at his and Obi Wan's lack of progress against him.
Proof?
What do you mean by power? Usable power or potential? I know they're one and the same to YOU but what stance are you adopting for the sake of the argument.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Dooku had trouble perceiving Anakin's blade, but that doesn't mean he couldn't contend. Grievous attacked faster than Obi-Wan could think, but Obi-Wan still blocked his strikes. You perceive and respond through the Force. 👆
Not the point they were fading in and out of existence.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Also, people need to stop yammering about how much worse Anakin would do if he switched from Djem So to Shien or Ataru. It's obvious that Djem So is his primary form. That's like saying Obi-Wan would do far worse if he used Juyo or Yoda would do far worse in Makashi. Not a valid argument.
It's valid when the main argument is Anakin's strength or speed being why he defeated Dooku when we know using another form he's less skilled in makes both him and Kenobi together a non threat in Dooku's eyes.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
It's valid when the main argument is Anakin's strength or speed being why he defeated Sidious when we know using another form he's less skilled in makes both him and Kenobi together a non threat in Dooku's eyes.
That's like discounting the notion that Michael Phelps is a fast swimmer by pointing out that he would get creamed if he tried to use butterfly in a freestyle race.