Originally posted by The Ellimist
Lol way to miss the point.
He is asserting that every known PT era Jedi Master is above majority in Jedi dueling arts. I don't give a damn about it.
When I talk about the best, I am not factoring-in every Tom, Dick and Harry who is hyped as a master swordsman. No B-Team nonsense.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He is asserting that every known Jedi Master is above majority. It doesn't makes sense to me.
There's a correlation between how powerful a Jedi is and how likely they are to be referenced in stories, for the same reason that we know really good athletes better than really bad ones.
When I talk about the best, I am not factoring-in every Tom, Dick and Harry who are hyped as master swordsman. [/B]
The point is that "among the best" could refer to Shaak Ti, or it could refer to Darth Sidious. Your qualifications are incredibly imprecise. And to be frank, you do this all the time.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
There's a correlation between how powerful a Jedi is and how likely they are to be referenced in stories, for the same reason that we know really good athletes better than really bad ones.The point is that "among the best" could refer to Shaak Ti, or it could refer to Darth Sidious. Your qualifications are incredibly imprecise. And to be frank, you do this all the time.
I shall elaborate my stance with an equation.
Majority < Jedi Master Usma (One of the finest duelists of the Jedi Order) < Lord Praven < Emperor's Wrath (1000+ Jedi and Sith kills and lot of hype under his belt) < Hero of Tython (the Outlander) <= Arcann
Good enough?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Right.I shall elaborate my stance with an equation.
Majority < Jedi Master Usma (One of the finest duelists of the Jedi Order) < Lord Praven < Emperor's Wrath (1000+ Jedi and Sith kills and lot of hype under his belt) < Hero of Tython (the Outlander) <= Arcann
Good enough?
How does this do anything to place him relative to characters like Dooku or Anakin? Where do they fit into that chain, and how do you know?
Originally posted by The Ellimist
How does this do anything to place him relative to characters like Dooku or Anakin? Where do they fit into that chain, and how do you know?
How would you know that Anakin Skywalker and/or Count Dooku are even better than Lord Praven?
That is the ambiguity-factor we face in cross-era comparisons. We all make assumptions.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Let go of that nonsense, will you?Arcann is definitely up there with the greatest duelists of the mythos.
So what? Anakin's still his better, by a considerable margin. He's written in RotS to be on the same level as Sidious and Yoda, who dismiss some of the greatest duelists in history instantly.
Count Dooku could ragdoll Anakin Skywalker, so Arcann can do better.
You mean a vulnerable S4 TCW Anakin? Yeah, you do realize that Anakin grew vastly more powerful after S5, and that he was more powerful than Dooku by RotS, right?
Sidious then turned his attention to Anakin Skywalker, knowing that young Skywalker was much stronger in the Force than Tyranus.--The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
Re-live the incredible battle between two of the most powerful Jedi of all - as they fight to the finish on a Trade Federation Cruiser! Only the strongest Jedi remains—will it be the light side or the dark side of the Force?-- Battle Arena: Federation Cruiser
Heck, even Sidious contemplated the possibility of RotS Anakin being more powerful than him.
"He is powerful. Potentially more powerful than even myself."-- Revenge of the Sith Novelization
Not as a duelist, but raw power is another matter.
If we're discussing raw power, then Anakin's in league with Sidious and Yoda, which is beyond what Arcann and Vaylin could ever bring to the table.
Originally posted by SunRazer
So what? Anakin's still his better, by a considerable margin. He's written in RotS to be on the same level as Sidious and Yoda, who dismiss some of the greatest duelists in history instantly.You mean a vulnerable S4 TCW Anakin? Yeah, you do realize that Anakin grew vastly more powerful after S5, and that he was more powerful than Dooku by RotS, right?
Heck, even Sidious contemplated the possibility of RotS Anakin being more powerful than him.
If we're discussing raw power, then Anakin's in league with Sidious and Yoda, which is beyond what Arcann and Vaylin could ever bring to the table.
Now:
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Majority < Jedi Master Usma (One of the finest duelists of the Jedi Order) < Lord Praven < Emperor's Wrath (1000+ Jedi and Sith kills and lot of hype under his belt) < Hero of Tython (the Outlander) <= Arcann
Originally posted by The Ellimist
So when someone literally just asks you to justify your position, you mock the request and then call the person a troll. Wow.Seriously, you're one of the worst debaters I've ever seen.
Your assumptions are stuff of jokes here. You don't have the right to evaluate others, considering your history of trolling and misconceptions.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Your assumptions
Dude, I literally just asked you if you could explain your assumptions to us, and you responded by calling me a troll. It's like someone asks you for a pen and you reply by cussing them out; that's how weird and incoherent your reaction was.
You're seriously just not intellectually endowed enough to debate in any capacity.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Much of that hype is opinionated and contradictory.
It's not opinionated - it's from objective, factual, third-person sources. You can't deny something because you don't like it. Sidious himself admits that Anakin is possibly more powerful than him, lol.
I have much more for Anakin's raw power, which is in excess of even Yoda. And just in case you fail to comprehend that, raw power =/= mastered power.
Now: Majority < Jedi Master Usma (One of the finest duelists of the Jedi Order) < Lord Praven < Emperor's Wrath (1000+ Jedi and Sith kills and lot of hype under his belt) < Hero of Tython (the Outlander) <= Arcann
No, Arcann's equal to the Outlander. He never defeated him in a duel. And apparently the Outlander had just come out of carbonite in that fight as well, so Arcann might not even be on par with the Outlander after all.
Your link's also strange because Scourge has never fought Praven and has no link with him. Granted, he's better, a strange link regardless.
And as duelists:
Majority > Usma/TPM Obi-Wan > Praven/AotC Obi-Wan > Emperor's Wrath/TCW Obi-Wan > Outlander & Arcann/RotS Obi-Wan > Anakin Skywalker.