Anakin Skywalker vs. Arcann and Vaylin

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Dude, I literally just asked you if you could explain your assumptions to us, and you responded by calling me a troll. It's like someone asks you for a pen and you reply by cussing them out; that's how weird and incoherent your reaction was.

You're seriously just not intellectually endowed enough to debate in any capacity.

My equation is very simple and easy to understand. If you have comprehension problems, then it is not my problem.

Originally posted by SunRazer

And as duelists:

Majority > Usma/TPM Obi-Wan > Praven/AotC Obi-Wan > Emperor's Wrath/TCW Obi-Wan > Outlander & Arcann/RotS Obi-Wan > Anakin Skywalker.

I'm assuming this is flipped, but I wouldn't agree that Arcann is on RotS Obi Wan's level. I don't think he's done anything to suggest that.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

My equation is very simple and easy to understand.

You don't have a relevant equation, sweetie. The thread topic has to do with Arcann/Vaylin vs. Anakin. What does Arcann's standing relative to Scourge have to do with that?

Seriously, do you even know what's going on?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
I'm assuming this is flipped, but I wouldn't agree that Arcann is on RotS Obi Wan's level. I don't think he's done anything to suggest that.

I'm being extremely generous to TOR there. At least I'm leaving room to spare so that he can't argue Arcann is above RotS Obi-Wan, which blocks his argument of Arcann being on Anakin's level since Anakin's canonically an entire level above Obi-Wan.

I'm just using the same chain-link analogy that he is to show that regardless of how he tries to do it, Anakin is better than Arcann.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I'm being extremely generous to TOR there. At least I'm leaving room to spare so that he can't argue Arcann is above RotS Obi-Wan, which blocks his argument of Arcann being on Anakin's level since Anakin's canonically an entire level above Obi-Wan.

I'm just using the same chain-link analogy that he is to show that regardless of how he tries to do it, Anakin is better than Arcann.

Ah, OK.

Yeah, I'm not really following Legend; does he seriously think that Arcann alone is superior to Anakin?

Yeah, Arcann doesn't belong in the same class as someone who's Yoda/Sidious-tier.

I don't even think Anakin is normally Yoda/Sidious-tier as an overall combatant, but he's definitely too much for Arcann alone.

He is as a swordsman, which is what we're discussing here.

Originally posted by SunRazer
It's not opinionated - it's from objective, factual, third-person sources. You can't deny something because you don't like it. Sidious himself admits that Anakin is possibly more powerful than him, lol.

I have much more for Anakin's raw power, which is in excess of even Yoda. And just in case you fail to comprehend that, raw power =/= mastered power.

Opinionated refers to perspective of a character. Mace Windu might think that Anakin was the most powerful Jedi in existence, but it is an assumption on his part. They could perceive his raw power and draw conclusions from it.

It is the responsibility of neutral observors (us) to figure out Anakin's strengths and weaknesses. Anakin's performance is contradictory. On his best day, he might achieve wonders with his powers. However, he is not that good on consistent basis. He just have his moments.

Originally posted by SunRazer
No, Arcann's equal to the Outlander. He never defeated him in a duel.

Originally posted by SunRazer
And apparently the Outlander had just come out of carbonite in that fight as well, so Arcann might not even be on par with the Outlander after all.

I am referring to their confrontation on Asylum port. The Outlander had ample time to heal before that.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Your link's also strange because Scourge has never fought Praven and has no link with him. Granted, he's better, a strange link regardless.

And as duelists:

Majority > Usma/TPM Obi-Wan > Praven/AotC Obi-Wan > Emperor's Wrath/TCW Obi-Wan > Outlander & Arcann/RotS Obi-Wan > Anakin Skywalker.

😂

> refers to greater than

< refers to lesser than

Now;

Obi-Wan Kenobi, as of TPM, is on par with one of the finest duelists of the Jedi Order? 😂

Lord Praven is Anakin (AoTC) level? 😂

Nick Gillard also says that Anakin is the most powerful Jedi ever. 👆

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So Anakin Skywalker > Yoda and Palpatine (individually) as of Episode III?

He's not as skilled as Yoda but he's faster and stronger per the RotS novel narration. And Gillard suggests that Anakin's even more dangerous than them in a fight. So potentially, yes, Anakin can surpass them, but only in select circumstances, it seems. Certainly we know that Anakin's on the same level as Yoda and Palpatine as a warrior, which is out of Arcann's league. Vaylin isn't changing that.

Opinionated refers to perspective of a character. Mace Windu might think that Anakin was the most powerful Jedi in existence, but it is an assumption on his part. They could perceive his raw power and draw conclusions from it.

I thought we were comparing raw power?

Also, I don't know whether or not you noticed, but I didn't even quote Mace. I quoted objective sources, and I can quote many more talking about how Anakin was the most powerful Jedi. Would you like me to?

It is the responsibility of neutral observors (us) to figure out Anakin's strengths and weaknesses. Anakin's performance is contradictory. On his best day, he might achieve wonders with his powers. However, he is not that good on consistent basis. He have his moments.

By RotS, he's at that level on a consistent basis unless his opponent is Obi-Wan or he's just turned to the dark side. That isn't the case here.

<= implies what?

It implies that you still think Arcann might be better, which is unsupported.

Excuse me?

I am referring to their confrontation on Asylum port. The Outlander had ample time to heal before that.

Is that the most recent one? If so, Arcann still wasn't winning in sabers 😬

WTF?

😂

I appreciate that you find it humorous, but how about an actual response? I'm aware that you severely underrate PT characters. It's not particularly crazy to rank them as I did - in fact, I was generous to TOR.

TPM Kenobi is almost equal to Qui-Gon, who's defeated duelists who are "among the most skilled" and stuff like that which is the only thing to Usma's credit. There's no reason to suspect that Usma might be better than Obi-Wan.

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