Originally posted by quanchi112It's not my opinion you dumbass. These quotes are all from the ROTS novel, which EXPANDS on the events of the film; giving more context to the movie. These quotes make it pretty clear that Windu won because of Vapaad and Shatterpoint, you have no argument.
You could say that about any fight. Fact is Windu won while your opinion over the events is just an opinion.
Before he could follow through on his stroke, a sudden arc of blue plasma sheared through his wrist and his hand tumbled away with his lightsaber still in it and Palpatine roared back to his feet and lightning speared from the Sith Lord's hands and without his blade to catch it, the power of Palpatine's hate struck him full-on. He had been so intent on Palpatine's shatterpoint that he'd never thought to look for Anakin's.
- Source : Revenge of the Sith Novel
Windu was entirely focused on Sidious' and his shatterpoint during the fight. Again, suggesting that Shatterpoint was one of the only reasons WIndu was victorious.
Originally posted by darthbane77So tools he can use somehow make it less impressive but tools Sidious uses are fair game. How deliciously hypocritical of you. Windu beat him fair and square, crybaby. Sheev is overrated.
It's not my opinion you dumbass. These quotes are all from the ROTS novel, which EXPANDS on the events of the film; giving more context to the movie. These quotes make it pretty clear that Windu won because of Vapaad and Shatterpoint, you have no argument.
Originally posted by KurkMaul let his guard down after he skillfully disarmed him.
The facts also are that:- Maul was defeated by padawan Kenobi
- Maul was defeated by a blind Kanan
- Maul was lured into a trap by padawan Tano
- Kylo Ren was defeated by the untrained force and lightsaber user Rey
Maul previously had Kanan dead to rights. Tano intervened. Maul was overconfident and went off the cliff. Maul just recently bfrd him into space for yet another win. Unseen allies make it an unfair fight. Against no incoming threats Kenobi and Anakin were trapped in ray shields.
We don't know that but he was clearly injured prior to their fight. 😂
Wait until the next film my First Order doubting simpleton.
Originally posted by quanchi112Way to misinterpret my words. My point is that Windu only won because of Shatterpoint and Vapaad, as my quotes prove. Otherwise, Sidious would have blitzed Windu just like he blitzed the other three. And there's always the fact that Sidious sensed Anakin's approach and threw the fight to trick Anakin into falling to the Dark Side.
So tools he can use somehow make it less impressive but tools Sidious uses are fair game. How deliciously hypocritical of you. Windu beat him fair and square, crybaby. Sheev is overrated.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul let his guard down after he skillfully disarmed him.Maul previously had Kanan dead to rights. Tano intervened. Maul was overconfident and went off the cliff. Maul just recently bfrd him into space for yet another win. Unseen allies make it an unfair fight. Against no incoming threats Kenobi and Anakin were trapped in ray shields.
We don't know that but he was clearly injured prior to their fight. 😂
Wait until the next film my First Order doubting simpleton.
Originally posted by darthbane77No proof he threw the fight just conjecture by fanboys. So Windu resisted due to his own innate abilities. Glad you agree that he won under his own ability. He does so again here.
Way to misinterpret my words. My point is that Windu only won because of Shatterpoint and Vapaad, as my quotes prove. Otherwise, Sidious would have blitzed Windu just like he blitzed the other three. And there's always the fact that Sidious sensed Anakin's approach and threw the fight to trick Anakin into falling to the Dark Side.
Originally posted by quanchi112Circumstantial abilities. Sidious is > Yoda which inherently makes him > Windu. Sidious is superior no matter what. His victory was purely circumstantial. As I proved.
No proof he threw the fight just conjecture by fanboys. So Windu resisted due to his own innate abilities. Glad you agree that he won under his own ability. He does so again here.
Originally posted by KurkI cited the context and Maul had the advantage and clear victories on his own. Palpatine was unable to muster a worthwhile defense after he was disarmed hence the Anakin pleading.
You are clearly looking for excuses. Maul and Kylo's opponents won square and fair while your opinion over the events is just an opinion.
Originally posted by darthbane77Abc is trash you hillbilly. Everything is situational but we don't ignore how the fight went.
Circumstantial abilities. Sidious is > Yoda which inherently makes him > Windu. Sidious is superior no matter what. His victory was purely circumstantial. As I proved.
Windu won Yoda lost get over it, inbred. You seem to ignore dem facts.
While there are no official sources saying Palpatine threw the duel, the evidence we have does suggest exactly that.
1: Sidious is a master manipulator.
2: Sidious wanted to trick Anakin into turning Dark Side.
3: Sidious' lightning was overpowering Windu in the novel. (Once more suggesting superiority.)
4: Palpatine has used feints and deception before, the fight's events fit his MO.
Originally posted by quanchi112I just won. You get hostile and defensive when you realize you've lost. Begone plebian, I have no more time for swine such as yourself.
Abc is trash you hillbilly. Everything is situational but we don't ignore how the fight went.Windu won Yoda lost get over it, inbred. You seem to ignore dem facts.
Originally posted by darthbane77As I said no proof. If you make a claim its up to you to prove it. Are you new to debating ?
While there are no official sources saying Palpatine threw the duel, the evidence we have does suggest exactly that.1: Sidious is a master manipulator.
2: Sidious wanted to trick Anakin into turning Dark Side.
3: Sidious' lightning was overpowering Windu in the novel. (Once more suggesting superiority.)
4: Palpatine has used feints and deception before, the fight's events fit his MO.
Originally posted by darthbane77You ignored canon fights and outcomes and made more baseless claims based on abc logic. I insult people who want to live in delusional worlds. That'd be you.
I just won. You get hostile and defensive when you realize you've lost. Begone plebian, I have no more time for swine such as yourself.
If there are no sources we must use the available evidence, which back my argument in this case. As for being new to debating, no, I'm not. As evident by the fact that I have now bested you three times. Your being too ignorant and retarded to understand and accept that isn't my problem. Yet you haven't countered ANYTHING I've said with anything other than unsubstantiated opinions. Your debating skills are woefully lacking.
Originally posted by darthbane77Saying you bested me while ignoring the evidence and making things up you can't prove is being delusional and stubborn. Two traits you shouldn't embrace. I countered you with facts. Saying Yoda is better than Windu is making a baseless claim.
If there are no sources we must use the available evidence, which back my argument in this case. As for being new to debating, no, I'm not. As evident by the fact that I have now bested you three times. Your being too ignorant and retarded to understand and accept that isn't my problem. Yet you haven't countered ANYTHING I've said with anything other than unsubstantiated opinions. Your debating skills are woefully lacking.
Originally posted by quanchi112You countered me with unsubstantiated opinions, not fact. Provide a source to prove your point, otherwise your credibility is non-existent. As for Yoda being > Windu,
Saying you bested me while ignoring the evidence and making things up you can't prove is being delusional and stubborn. Two traits you shouldn't embrace. I countered you with facts. Saying Yoda is better than Windu is making a baseless claim.
Inside the spacious interior of the Galactic Senate chamber, Yoda challenged the Emperor. The two engaged in a spectacular duel—a contest between the most powerful practitioners of the Force’s light and dark sides.
--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
This truth: that he, the avatar of light, Supreme Master of the Jedi Order, the fiercest, most implacable, most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known...
--Taken from Revenge of the Sith
Nick Gillard : We didn't see Mace fighting yet, but we know that he is second only to Yoda...
- Source : Star Wars Episode II: Action Featurette
He seems to be second most powerful jedi on the that council, next to Yoda.
- Source : Insider #55
These quotes state Yoda as the most powerful Jedi in the Order, and place Windu as second. Unsurprisingly, I win again.