Originally posted by quanchi112
I cited the context and Maul had the advantage and clear victories on his own. Palpatine was unable to muster a worthwhile defense after he was disarmed hence the Anakin pleading.
All you have to do is answer yes or no.
Was Maul bisected by padawan Kenobi in TPM?
Was Maul thrown off a cliff by a blind Kanan?
Did Kylo Ren fall face first into the ground after engaging with Rey?
Originally posted by darthbane77So you are using hyperbole from a book to sell your madness. Lol. This is how sad you've become. Yoda is more powerful I fully agree but he isn't more formidable. Once again you confuse power with more formidable.
You countered me with unsubstantiated opinions, not fact. Provide a source to prove your point, otherwise your credibility is non-existent. As for Yoda being > Windu,Inside the spacious interior of the Galactic Senate chamber, Yoda challenged the Emperor. The two engaged in a spectacular duel—a contest between the most powerful practitioners of the Force’s light and dark sides.
--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
This truth: that he, the avatar of light, Supreme Master of the Jedi Order, the fiercest, most implacable, most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known...
--Taken from Revenge of the Sith
Nick Gillard : We didn't see Mace fighting yet, but we know that he is second only to Yoda...
- Source : Star Wars Episode II: Action Featurette
He seems to be second most powerful jedi on the that council, next to Yoda.
- Source : Insider #55
These quotes state Yoda as the most powerful Jedi in the Order, and place Windu as second. Unsurprisingly, I win again.
Facts show two fair fights. Windu wins and Yoda loses unable to pin Sidious in the sort of defenseless position Windu had him in.
Cue the weak argument had the environment been different Yoda would have won which is speculative and opinion based.
Your move, fanboy.
Originally posted by quanchi112That's the thing, Yoda wasn't capable of winning of defeating Sidious; BECAUSE Sidious is more powerful than him and is more powerful than Windu by extension; as proved by the now many quotes I have provided you with. Aside from the "avatar of light" part, there's no hyperbole in any of the quotes I just provided; and even that bit of hyperbole is just as as effective as Sidious or Vitiate's "dark side incanrate" quotes. Your desperation is palpable now. Concede before I embarrass you further.
So you are using hyperbole from a book to sell your madness. Lol. This is how sad you've become. Yoda is more powerful I fully agree but he isn't more formidable. Once again you confuse power with more formidable.Facts show two fair fights. Windu wins and Yoda loses unable to pin Sidious in the sort of defenseless position Windu had him in.
Cue the weak argument had the environment been different Yoda would have won which is speculative and opinion based.
Your move, fanboy.
Originally posted by darthbane77Being more powerful doesn't equate to being more formidable as evidenced by Windu defeating Palpatine whereas the more powerful Yoda failed. That's all hyperbole which you don't the meaning of apparently. You've only embarrassed yourself. Make ep running from the film facts.
That's the thing, Yoda wasn't capable of winning of defeating Sidious; BECAUSE Sidious is more powerful than him and is more powerful than Windu by extension; as proved by the now many quotes I have provided you with. Aside from the "avatar of light" part, there's no hyperbole in any of the quotes I just provided; and even that bit of hyperbole is just as as effective as Sidious or Vitiate's "dark side incanrate" quotes. Your desperation is palpable now. Concede before I embarrass you further.
Originally posted by quanchi112Literally all but the "avatar of light" part is not hyperbole, they're quotes about how dangerous and powerful Yoda is. Another example: Yoda has bested Dooku twice, Windu hasn't done it once. Yoda is more powerful AND is a superior duelist, he IS more formidable. Once again, as suggested by the SOURCES I provided. Your desperation gets stronger with every comment.
Being more powerful doesn't equate to being more formidable as evidenced by Windu defeating Palpatine whereas the more powerful Yoda failed. That's all hyperbole which you don't the meaning of apparently. You've only embarrassed yourself. Make ep running from the film facts.
Originally posted by darthbane77Hyperbolic quotes which can't be measured you dimwit. Yoda didn't best Dooku in AOTC. Yoda lost to Palpatine in rots. Windu bested Palpatine in Rots. This isn't rocket science, Facebook debater.
Literally all but the "avatar of light" part is not hyperbole, they're quotes about how dangerous and powerful Yoda is. Another example: Yoda has bested Dooku twice, Windu hasn't done it once. Yoda is more powerful AND is a superior duelist, he IS more formidable. Once again, as suggested by the SOURCES I provided. Your desperation gets stronger with every comment.
Originally posted by quanchi112Windu bested him circumstantially, which is the entire point I'm trying to convey (and have already proven at least twice over.) None of those quotes are hyperbole, you just have no better counter. "Facebook debater", most people there know every bit as much as people here; and that's not even an insult considering a "Facebook debater" is still a debater, something nobody can say about you.
Hyperbolic quotes which can't be measured you dimwit. Yoda didn't best Dooku in AOTC. Yoda lost to Palpatine in rots. Windu bested Palpatine in Rots. This isn't rocket science, Facebook debater.
Originally posted by darthbane77
[B]@Quan.
Within the public office of the Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Republic, a last Jedi Master battled alone, blade-to-blade, against a living shadow. Sinking into Vaapad, Mace Windu fought for his life. More than his life: each whirl of blade and whipcrack of lightning was a strike in defense of democracy, of justice and peace, of the rights of ordinary beings to live their own lives in their own ways.- Source : Revenge of the Sith Novel
Suggests that Windu's use of Vapaad was what allowed his "victory." .
Originally posted by GM YodaNot at all. He can always use Vapaad, but it's more the circumstances of his fight with Sidious that allowed it to work so well than anything. Windu was fighting for the very survival of the Republic and the Jedi, things that he loved dearly and would do whatever it took to save. His devotion and determination in that circumstance allowed his focus to increase and his Vapaas to work on overdrive. Without the circumstances he was fighting with in the novel and film, Vapaad alone would not be enough to defeat Sidious.
Are you suggesting that Mace can use Vapaad only in exceptional circumstances, and not at will?
"Yoda is more powerful I fully agree but he isn't more formidable."- quanchi112
Retardation at its finest.
Yoda's mastered every Lightsaber form, has superior mastery of TK, and is more powerful in the Force. So no Windu's not more formidable LMAO
There were differences in the environment and starting factors for both Yoda vs Palpatine and Windu vs Palpatine, so you can't just go by the result of those to compare Windu to Yoda (unless of course you're a Troll).
Facts are facts, and everything I've stated about Yoda are also facts come directly from canon source books.
Originally posted by darthbane77Every fight is circumstantial this isn't a brand new concept exclusive to their fight. You're using double standards because you're upset Windu won. You're so upset you also believe Palpatine threw it despite no direct evidence supporting this fan prone theory.
Windu bested him circumstantially, which is the entire point I'm trying to convey (and have already proven at least twice over.) None of those quotes are hyperbole, you just have no better counter. "Facebook debater", most people there know every bit as much as people here; and that's not even an insult considering a "Facebook debater" is still a debater, something nobody can say about you.