Is Plagueis overrated?

Originally posted by darthbane77
My reason for thinking Plagueis is kind of overrated is that people place him above people like Caedus, Revan (among others) when there really isn't much proof. Yes Plagueis has some very impressive combat feats and Force power, but for the most part it's all speculative. He has no feats or displays of power that warrant the incredibly high placement he receives. That's not to say he isn't among the best, because we know based on accolades that he is, there just isn't enough on him to warrant placement above somebody like Caedus.

A feats-only approach will get you nowhere.

Originally posted by Azronger
A feats-only approach will get you nowhere.

Hego's accolades and holistic portrayal has him being legitimately close to RotS Sheev in terms of hierarchy... That's pretty up there(above both Jacen and Revan).

Originally posted by MythLord
Hego's accolades and holistic portrayal has him being legitimately close to RotS Sheev in terms of hierarchy... That's pretty up there(above both Jacen and Revan).

What the hell does a lack of feats have to do with accolades? If it's stated he's the most powerful Sith Lord to have ever lived, then he is. Saying he isn't because of lack of feats is an argument from ignorance.

Why it's still being debated is because not everyone thinks publishers' blurbs are canon.

Originally posted by MythLord
Hego's accolades and holistic portrayal has him being legitimately close to RotS Sheev in terms of hierarchy... That's pretty up there(above both Jacen and Revan).

What "holistic portrayal" has him close to RotS Sidious?

Being his master would count. ^

Originally posted by Azronger
What the hell does a lack of feats have to do with accolades? If it's stated he's the most powerful Sith Lord to have ever lived, then he is. Saying he isn't because of lack of feats is an argument from ignorance.

Why it's still being debated is because not everyone thinks publishers' blurbs are canon.

Originally posted by Azronger
What "holistic portrayal" has him close to RotS Sidious?

Hego rivals TPM Sheev, and while I do note Palpatine's power growth would've been noticeable, I don't think it would've blown Plagueis out of the water... not yet, anyways.

So he should still be close enough to give him grief.

Even if you just dismiss the blurb for no reason, we still know that Palpatine is wary of confronting him head on, that he overcame a lack of natural aptitude in sorcery through sheer power, and that he can unbalance the force itself by meditating.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Being his master would count. ^

Nope. I think he's rated where he should be.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Even if you just dismiss the blurb for no reason, we still know that Palpatine is wary of confronting him head on, that he overcame a lack of natural aptitude in sorcery through sheer power, and that he can unbalance the force itself by meditating.

Originally posted by MythLord
Hego rivals TPM Sheev, and while I do note Palpatine's power growth would've been noticeable, I don't think it would've blown Plagueis out of the water... not yet, anyways.

So he should still be close enough to give him grief.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Being his master would count. ^

Not really.

Originally posted by MythLord
Hego rivals TPM Sheev, and while I do note Palpatine's power growth would've been noticeable, I don't think it would've blown Plagueis out of the water... not yet, anyways.

So he should still be close enough to give him grief.

Not if you go by my scaling 😉

Originally posted by darthbane77
As of TPM anyway, ROTS Sidious wouldn't have been AS cautious about facing Plagueis as TPM Sidious would have been. I'm not dismissing it for no reason, I'm dismissing it because he has nothing in the way of feats or other accolades to support that he's the most poweful Sith to have exited to that point. Vitiate has more impressive feats and more displayed power than Plagueis does.

Let's look at his supporting feats and accolades, then:

1. TPM Palpatine's wariness of facing him.
2. Causing Naboo's longest winter just by arriving.
3. Unbalancing the Force itself through sheer meditation.
4. Overcoming a lack of natural sorcery aptitude through sheer power.
5. Scaling from Bane's feats over thirty generations.

This is enough evidence for the blurb statement to make sense - and that's the only burden we have, since these statements are true unless contradicted.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Let's look at his supporting feats and accolades, then:

1. TPM Palpatine's wariness of facing him.
2. Causing Naboo's longest winter just by arriving.
3. Unbalancing the Force itself through sheer meditation.
4. Overcoming a lack of natural sorcery aptitude through sheer power.
5. Scaling from Bane's feats over thirty generations.

This is enough evidence for the blurb statement to make sense - and that's the only burden we have, since these statements are true unless contradicted.

Holding Plagueis to the same standard as Vitiate regarding feats is pretty retarded tbh. Vitiate ruled openly over a Sith Empire, projecting his authority through grand displays of power. Plagueis on the other hand was a member of a clandestine order who made every effort not to display their powers openly, the fact that Plagueis hasn't drained a planet or dominated powerful Jedi doesn't preclude him being more powerful at all.

Originally posted by darthbane77
That isn't at all enough to prove that Plagueis is more powerful than somebody like Vitiate. Does it place him on the same level? Sure it does, but it doesn't prove he's superior in any way at all.

It doesn't have to because there's already a statement saying that he is. I was humoring your request for supporting evidence - but that doesn't mean I have the burden to prove it when it's clearly articulated that published material is true until contradicted.