Originally posted by The EllimistI don't know about that (since Palpatine's power presumably increased from TPM to RotS, especially after inheriting Plagueis' knowledge and artifacts), but he is on the same tier that everyone generally appears to agree Caedus and Revan are on.
No, the recent push to place him over Vitiate is well deserved.
Originally posted by The EllimistBack cover blurbs<The shit I took today. The blurbs on back covers are meant only to hype the reader up. I could agree to Plagueis being the most powerful Sith of the Banite line up to that point; but not the Sith overall.
It doesn't have to because there's already a statement saying that he is. I was humoring your request for supporting evidence - but that doesn't mean I have the burden to prove it when it's clearly articulated that published material is true until contradicted.
Depends. On one hand I'm still skeptical on the canocity of novel blurbs, and Plagueis feats is clearly below the likes of Vitiate. On another hand, one must take into the account that Luceno isn't one to really write ridiculous destructive showings of Force power, and he has only one novel to work with.
His unbalancing of the Force, and basically holding the power over life and death is pretty freaking impressive, if hard to quantify combat wise. Regardless, it still shows and high degree of both raw power [for the former feat] and mastery [for the latter] that indicates him to be quite the powerhouse.
Originally posted by darthbane77
Back cover blurbs<The shit I took today. The blurbs on back covers are meant only to hype the reader up. I could agree to Plagueis being the most powerful Sith of the Banite line up to that point; but not the Sith overall.
This seems to be entirely a matter of your personal preference/opinion. Nowhere in EU policy were publisher's statements discounted; that blurb was still approved of and officially rolled to production by Lucasarts.
Anyway, holistically speaking the novel gives the impression that Plagueis and Sidious were charting into new territories of power - Plagueis knew about Vitiate, and he considered himself to have surpassed everyone before him.
It's possible the blurb labels Darth Plagueis as the most powerful due to his mastery over midichlorian manipulation, not because his command of the Force is greater, tbh.
After all, I recall another blurb of the book saying something along the lines of "Darth Plagueis has mastered the ultimate power - the power over life and death," or something like that.
I don't disagree with the idea of Plagueis being the 2nd most powerful sith, but on the subject of summaries / publisher endnotes, I think i should chime in regarding the burden of proof. You make the statement - you bring evidence to for the claim. The burden of proof is on the person who claims not the person who denies. This is a general rule for philosophical debates as well as the legal system.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
[B]Nowhere in EU policy were publisher's statements discounted;
Where are they counted?
that blurb was still approved of and officially rolled to production by Lucasarts.
They are?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Plagueis states there is nothing he can accomplish that any previous Sith has before him. In which case the blurb supports his claim.
I already told you I don't have a problem with the premise in general, but this doesn't get to the bones of the issue - whether the publisher summariy is canon or not. If not, then it's not a case of the blurb supporting Plagueis' in-universe comment , but rather just re-iterating it in the marketing material.
That was a general remark, not aimed at you.
As for your question though, we know that Darth Plagueis is canon, SW novels in general, are canon. It's this distinction between the inside and outside of the novel that 1. has not anywhere been made 2. needs to be proven, I feel.
EDIT: And if we want the official line from Lucasfilm:
"Lucasfilm canon" refers to anything produced by any of the Lucas companies, whether it be movies, books, games, or internet. "Movie canon" is only that which you see and hear in the Star Wars films.And Elm is correct, publisher's summaries aren't precluded here at all, provided they are published by a Lucas company, which they have been.--Leland Chee, LLP continuity database admin
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Plagueis states in the novel that if there was any more powerful Sith who preceded him, he knew not of them (fyi, he knew of Vitiate), it's simply a matter of believing him, and the blurb supports his assertion.
IIRC Plagueis also disbelieved what he knew about previous beings, believing them to be exaggerated. So his opinion isn't exactly an informed one. His perspective is biased and he's ignorant of the true abilities of his predecessors.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
That was a general remark, not aimed at you.As for your question though, we know that Darth Plagueis is canon, SW novels in general, are canon. It's this distinction between the inside and outside of the novel that
It's very simple. The notes of the publisher aren't meant to be part of the story - i.e. adding to the continuity in any measure and is simply just a interpretation of the events for the purposes of selling and aren't always checked over by the author. And this is the case for pretty much every book that was ever written. You can see several different publisher blurbs from various companies that have published harry potter, not one of them introduce anything new to the continuity. So we're left with Plagueis' opinion on the matter.
No Beni, I'm giving you a general differentiation between the what's inside the novel written by the author and what's outside the novel written by the publisher. That is what you asked for, after all. As again, the burden of proof is on the claimant - and the statement you gave me does't clear up the issue.