Originally posted by SunRazerPrecisely, the only basis this skepticism gives is the same we apply to all secondary and tertiary sources. But it's not sufficient to invalidate the it as non-canon, and in this respect it simply echoes the source material.
Most anti-blurb people here are basically relying on emotion and personal feelings to discredit the novel blurb. Which doesn't work.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Plagueis states in the novel that if there was any more powerful Sith who preceded him, he knew not of them (fyi, he knew of Vitiate), it's simply a matter of believing him, and the blurb supports his assertion.
He did not knew much about Vitiate by the way. He even dismissed the existence of Force ghosts.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
That was a general remark, not aimed at you.As for your question though, we know that Darth Plagueis is canon, SW novels in general, are canon. It's this distinction between the inside and outside of the novel that 1. has not anywhere been made 2. needs to be proven, I feel.
EDIT: And if we want the official line from Lucasfilm:And Elm is correct, publisher's summaries aren't precluded here at all, provided they are published by a Lucas company, which they have been.
Darth Bane is Dark Side's most powerful master! Accept it.
Why the double-standards?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDRight.
Darth Plagueis assumed that if a Sith Lord of equal power existed before him, he took his secrets to the grave.
He did not knew much about Vitiate by the way.Proof?
He even dismissed the existence of Force ghosts.Not strictly true, but irrelevant regardless.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDI dontz nows!!
Right.Darth Bane is Dark Side's most powerful master! Accept it.
Why the double-standards?
On the other hand, what do you make of this?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Proof?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Not strictly true, but irrelevant regardless.
It is relevant in the sense that Darth Plagueis was no historian and he had limited grasp of the ground realities of the galaxy at large. On top of all that, he thought that he was the best. He wasn't.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
On the other hand, what do you make of this?
You played into my hands with that. I will use that statement against you and Ellimist. 😈
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDFalse.
Darth Plagueis knew that Vitiate managed to prolong his life for centuries (and was closer to The Ones in this respect then any other) but he did not knew about Vitiate's disembodied existence and exploits.
As evidenced by those few Lords who had managed to perpetuate their spirits after physical death - foremost among them Emperor Vitiate, who was said to have lived a thousand years-the ancient Sith had come halfway across that bridge.Nowhere does he compare him to the Ones though, lmao.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDI did, he acknowledges the existence of Sith spirits elsewhere, like above, evidently he merely maintained a position of reasonable suspicion.
Recheck Book of Sith and refresh your memory.
It is relevant in the sense that Darth Plagueis was no historian and he had limited grasp of the ground realities of the galaxy at large.Noting you've raised proves that.
On top of all that, he thought that he was the best. He wasn't.The blurb confirms otherwise, shame.
Thanks for the share. 😱By proclaiming Sidious + Plagueis >>>> Bane > Vitiate? OK.You played into my hands with that. I will use that statement against you and Ellimist. 😈
Originally posted by Beniboybling
False.
But those few had been so focused on worldly power that they had ended up trapping themselves between realms. That they had never provided the Order with guidance from beyond attested to the fact that their influence had been negligible, and had long since faded from the world.
In the same way that the pre-Bane Sith had been responsible for their own extinction, the great dark side Lords of the past had doomed themselves to the nether realm through their attempts to conquer death by feeding off the energies of others, rather than by tapping the deepest strata of the Force and learning to speak the language of the midi-chlorians.
Taken from Star Wars: Darth Plagueis
In one of his writings, he even denied the possibility of disembodied existence in the material realm.
Like I pointed out earlier, his knowledge of powers and exploits of Vitiate is very limited.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
By proclaiming Sidious + Plagueis >>>> Bane > Vitiate? OK.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDYour point? Vitiate fizzled out and was forgotten, we know.
And after that:But those few had been so focused on worldly power that they had ended up trapping themselves between realms. That they had never provided the Order with guidance from beyond attested to the fact that their influence had been negligible, and had long since faded from the world.
In the same way that the pre-Bane Sith had been responsible for their own extinction, the great dark side Lords of the past had doomed themselves to the nether realm through their attempts to conquer death by feeding off the energies of others, rather than by tapping the deepest strata of the Force and learning to speak the language of the midi-chlorians.
Taken from [B]Star Wars: Darth Plagueis
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In one of his writings, he even denied the possibility of disembodied existence in the material realm.False again, in fact he does the opposite.
Like I pointed out earlier, his knowledge of powers and exploits of Vitiate is very limited.Yet to be proven, shame.
🙄It was a pretty stupid thing to say on your part, yeah.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Your point? Vitiate fizzled out and was forgotten, we know.
He believed that Sith spirits (if they even existed) were doomed to so-called Nether Realm and their influence had been negligible. Really?
Vitiate, in disembodied form, shocked the entire galaxy by devastating Ziost - an event in which both the Republic and Sith suffered heavy losses, but could do nothing about it. Ziost was not an ordinary world. He lost another Voice in Zakuul but continued to influence galactic events in non-corporeal form. My point is that his influence, in disembodied form, was far from being negligible.
Evidently, Darth Plagueis had little knowledge of Vitiate's exploits and powers or his assessment would have been different.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
False again, in fact he does the opposite.
More interesting are the tales of of Sith ghosts said to haunt everything from the tombs of Korriban to the relics inside Coruscant's Great Galactic Museum. Is it possible that these Masters of the dark side succeeded in preserving their awareness? If so, can they still be queried for their secrets? Unfortunately, I have been to Korriban and I am not convinced that these tales hold truth.
Taken from Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yet to be proven, shame.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
It was a pretty stupid thing to say on your part, yeah.