Revan and the Unbalancing of the Galaxy Feat

Regardless, eight long years later, Plagueis remained convinced that he was on the verge of absolute success. The evidence was in his own increased midi-chlorian count; and in the power he sensed in Sidious when he had finally returned to Sojourn. The dark side of the Force was theirs to command, and in partnership they would someday be able to keep each other alive, and to rule the galaxy for as long as they saw fit.

But he had yet to inform Sidious of this.

It was more important that Sidious remain as focused on manipulating events in the profane world as Plagueis was intent on dominating the realm of the Force, of which the mundane was only a gross and distorted reflection.

To be sure, the light had been extinguished, but for how long and at what cost?

He recalled a stellar eclipse he had witnessed on a long-forgotten world, whose single moon was of perfect size and distance to blot out the light of the system's primary. The result hadn't been total darkness but illumination of a different sort, singular and diffuse, that had confused the birds and had permitted the stars to be seen in what would have been broad daylight. Even totally blocked, the primary had shone from behind the satellite's disk, and when the moon moved on there had been a moment of light almost too intense to bear.

Gazing into Sojourn's darkening sky, he wondered what calamity the Force was planning in retreat to visit upon him or Sidious or both of them for willfully tipping the balance. Was retribution merely waiting in the wings as it had been on Coruscant twenty years earlier? It was a dangerous time; more dangerous than his earliest years as an apprentice when the dark side might have consumed him at any moment.

For now, at least, his full convalescence was near complete. Sidious was continuing to become more powerful as a Sith and as a politician, his most intricate schemes meeting with little or no resistance. And the Jedi Order was foundering...

Time would tell, and time was short.

The Dathomirian Zabrak sat cross-legged on the duracrete floor, recounting for Sidious the surveillance mission he had completed at the Jedi Temple, weeks earlier, at the height of the Yinchorri Crisis.

"It sickened me to see how easily the reptilian infiltrators were deceived, Master, even by the fair-haired human female sentry they thought they had taken by surprise outside the Temple. From where I watched I knew that she had feigned surprise when her lightsaber failed to penetrate her assailant's cortosis shield, and that she had merely been faking unconsciousness when the Yinchorri had yanked her to her feet and she impaled him on her activated blade." Maul snarled, revealing sharply filed teeth. "Their stupidity allowed me to revel in the fact that their mission had been compromised-that the Jedi were simply luring them into a trap."

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No, that's not a direct contradiction, especially considering a canonical alternative is presented, lmfao. 😬

A quote it was eight months prior, or what?

The evidence that the ritual took place 8 years before the Yinchorri uprising.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Being...?

The evidence that the ritual took place 8 years before the Yinchorri uprising.

Regardless, even if there were no possible option, that still doesn't yield a retcon.

It just means it's completely unknown, since the Darth Plagueis / Palpatine option is a definitive no.

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Above.

Well looks like you dropped the ball there Ant, Plagueis says that an undetermined amount of time after the ritual had took place. Which leaves us only with this:

All that mattered was that, almost a decade earlier, they had succeeded in willing the Force to shift and tip irrevocably to the dark side.

According to you Anakin's conception would have likely occurred in 42 BBY.

The Yinchorri Uprising occurred in 33 BBY.

The former is 9 years earlier, less when we add the months, which fits what the novel says fine.

Oh, my apologies. I forgot you were so stupid you didn't know what came before it.

The shift had been the outcome of months of intense meditation, during which Plagueis and Sidious had sought to challenge the Force for sovereignty and suffuse the galaxy with the power of the dark side. Brazen and shameless, and at their own mortal peril, they had waged etheric war, anticipating that their own midi-chlorians, the Force's proxy army, might marshal to boil their blood or stop the beating of their hearts. Risen out of themselves, discorporate and as a single entity, they had brought the power of their will to bear, asserting their sovereignty over the Force. No counterforce had risen against them. In what amounted to a state of rapture they knew that the Force had yielded, as if some deity had been tipped from its throne. On the fulcrum they had fashioned, the light side had dipped and the dark side had ascended.

On the same day they had allowed Venamis to die.

Then, by manipulating the Bith's midi-chlorians, which should have been inert and unresponsive, Plagueis had resurrected him. The enormity of the event had stunned Sidious into silence and overwhelmed and addled 11-4D's processors, but Plagueis had carried on without assistance, again and again allowing Venamis to die and be returned to life, until the Bith's organs had given out and Plagueis had finally granted him everlasting death.

But having gained the power to keep another alive hadn't been enough for him. And so after Sidious had returned to Coruscant, he had devoted himself to internalizing that ability, by manipulating the midi-chlorians that animated him. For several months he made no progress, but ultimately he began to perceive a measured change. The scars that had grown over his wounds had abruptly begun to soften and fade, and he had begun to breathe more freely than he had in twenty years. He began to sense that not only were his damaged tissues healing, but his entire body was rejuvinating itself. Beneath the transpirator, areas of his skin were smooth and youthful, and he knew that eventually he would cease to age altogether.

Drunk on newfound power, then, he had attempted an even more unthinkable act: to bring into being a creation of his own. Not merely the impregnation of some hapless, mindless creature, but the birth of a Forceful being. The ability to dominate death had been a step in the right direction, but it wasn't equivalent to pure creation. And so he had stretched out-indeed, as if invisible, transubstantiated-to inform every being of his existence, and impact all of them: Muunoid or insectoid, secure or dispossessed, free or enslaved. A warrior waving a banner in triumph on a battlefield. A ghost infiltrating a dream.

But ultimately to no end.

The Force grew silent, as if in flight from him, and many of the animals in his laboratory succumbed to horrifying diseases.

Regardless, eight long years later, Plagueis remained convinced that he was on the verge of absolute success. The evidence was in his own increased midi-chlorian count; and in the power he sensed in Sidious when he had finally returned to Sojourn. The dark side of the Force was theirs to command, and in partnership they would someday be able to keep each other alive, and to rule the galaxy for as long as they saw fit.

So, no. It's completely determined, lmfao.

The meditation took place 33.0 BBY + 8 = 41 BBY. As per your own admission, the conception took place in (late) 42 BBY.

Good game, but ultimately, I'm just way better than you.

😬

Yeah quite, Plagueis spent an undetermined amount of time testing out his new powers before those "eight long years."

Thanks for providing the relevant excerpt.

Which has nothing to do with my argument.

My argument debunked the notion the unbalancing feat is impressive.

I frankly don't care what theories you have about how Anakin was made, since it's just that, theories.

You're just babbling at this stage lmao.

Point is you got your dates wrong, so back to the drawing board.

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What?

My dates are right. 😬

I honestly have no clue what you're talking about...

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Originally posted by Beniboybling
Well looks like you dropped the ball there Ant, Plagueis says that an undetermined amount of time after the ritual had took place. Which leaves us only with this:

All that mattered was that, almost a decade earlier, they had succeeded in willing the Force to shift and tip irrevocably to the dark side.

According to you Anakin's conception would have likely occurred in 42 BBY.

The Yinchorri Uprising occurred in 33 BBY.

The former is 9 years earlier, less when we add the months, which fits what the novel says fine.

👆

I just debunked that literally on this same page. 😐

What I said was pretty clear. The ritual didn't take place 8 years before the Yinchorri Uprising. The failure of Plagueis' experiments did. There being an undetermined amount of time between the two events.

Not rocket science.

The events happened at the same time. Plagueis did the acts while "drunk on newfound power."

That being said, also this: "Eight years ago we shifted the galaxy, Darth Sidious, and that shift is now irreversible," which was stated after "... who had assisted in the dumping of the bodies of the dead Jedi on Valorum's threshold and had facilitated the insertion of the Yinchorri warriors tasked with infiltrating the Jedi Temple."

You can't win. 😂

After "several months of no progress" and then a further undetermined amount of time passed before his experiments died.

And what Plagueis said there is contradicted by the facts, so he's either being imprecise, or referring to after he solidified his power through experimentation.

For one, there's no indication that eight years later is referring to the dead animals rather than the shift.

That being said, eight years is specifically stated in the second quote I provided.

Darth Plaguieis states there was roughly a eight year gap between the meditation and the Yinchorri Crisis.

To further press the point, my math factored in an additional year of time spent, so even months in the mix doesn't make it null.

Guys you do realize that Plagueis is somebody Sidious made up to trick Anakin into turning to the darkside right?? Honestly this is the first time I think I've seen people watch that movie and think he was actually a real person. 😂 😂

No, he's an actual character. His backstory is explored in a novel with his name on it. You can Google it.

Beni, I'll put it like this.

The second quote states that there is a eight year gap between the shift and events following the Yinchorri Crisis.

If you look back over my math, I factored in the possibility that, by "eight years," he meant "nine years minus a day."

Note that the above is an even more dramatic plus for your argument than throwing in a handful of months in the mix.

Even then, Anakin Skywalker couldn't have possibly been conceived during that time frame. 👆

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No, he's an actual character. His backstory is explored in a novel with his name on it. You can Google it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon#Canon_works

And yet, is nowhere to be found... 🙄

The Plagueis Brigade is dying even faster than I thought.