Darth Plagueis/Palpatine's Meditation War Never Created Anakin Skywalker

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
These factors can be attributed to Anakin Skywalker's growth, which was the ultimate Force imbalance,

Why would the growth of the being that's supposed to bring balance to the Force...unbalance the Force in favor of the dark side?

So Plagueis and Sidious try really hard for months to be able to manipulate midichlorians (by unbalancing the Force), feel that they have, and are demonstrably capable of manipulating said midichlorians, but this was all some bizarre coincidence?

and mere coincidence.

That's the flaw in your idea - it's full of silly coincidences. Ours isn't.

Spoiler:
And I'm sure you don't want to go to the author over this one.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Despite all those options (besides one) having Palpatine as the center?

DTM's shifting has nothing to do with Palpatine.

It's about the Sith - in this case Palpatine (and Plagueis, but Sidious killed Plagueis off) - bending the Force to his will and the fact that the Force needs to be liberated from that. This isn't about galactic events - it's about the threat to the Force itself.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Why would the growth of the being that's supposed to bring balance to the Force...unbalance the Force in favor of the dark side?

That's what Pablo said happened. 😬 Ask him.

So Plagueis and Sidious try really hard for months to be able to manipulate midichlorians (by unbalancing the Force), feel that they have, and are demonstrably capable of manipulating said midichlorians, but this was all some bizarre coincidence?

A factor of that and Anakin's growing presence, possibly.

Note that since it's possibly, and then we also have to assume that it's this reason out of many Anakin was created, the speculation is too grea.t.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Remarkably before it happened.

How many times are you going to say this? The Force's precognition is necessary to explain any theory about the Chosen One prophecy.

Seriously, please beat this into your head: I T ' S -- A -- P R O P H E CY

Originally posted by SunRazer
DTM's shifting has nothing to do with Palpatine.

It's about the Sith - in this case Palpatine (and Plagueis, but Sidious killed Plagueis off) - bending the Force to his will and the fact that the Force needs to be liberated from that.

Then there should have been a loss of unbalance with Plagueis' death, but the unbalance only escalated.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
How many times are you going to say this? The Force's precognition is necessary to explain [b]any theory about the Chosen One prophecy.

Seriously, please beat this into your head: I T ' S A P R O P H E CY [/B]

Originally posted by SunRazer
Mmmm, because that last sentence obviously doesn't betray any sense of bias on your part against Sheev.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Did you read "besides one," lmfao?

Then there should have been a loss of unbalance with Plagueis' death, but the unbalance only escalated.

You edited that in right before I quoted it, but whatever.

Palpatine inherited Plagueis' power, so no, the Force shouldn't have been returned to normal. And Sidious simply continued to grow in power. It was necessary for Anakin to destroy the Sith, not anyone in particular, but the Sith were of course embodied in Palpatine and Plagueis. Plagueis died, but Palpatine persisted (and inherited Plagueis' strength as well as his own), so Anakin was still necessary.

Next Ant will be like, "Palpatine's lightning wasn't actually hurting Luke. He was just screaming because he felt like it; entirely coincidental." 😂

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That's what Pablo said happened. 😬 Ask him.

You're welcome to post a source.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
You're welcome to post a source.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
So you're speculating on top of speculating on top of speculating?

This is an astoundingly incoherent answer.

Originally posted by SunRazer
It's about the Sith - in this case Palpatine (and Plagueis, but Sidious killed Plagueis off) - bending the Force to his will and the fact that the Force needs to be liberated from that. This isn't about galactic events - it's about the threat to the Force itself.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
http://i.imgur.com/JcAQkQs.png

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He literally said the exact opposite of your position. Plagueis and Sidious did bring about his birth.

So...case closed? LMAO

Unless "Anakin" refers to Revan and "Palpatine" refers to Vitiate, then yeah, it's not speculation, lmfao.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
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He literally said the exact opposite of your position. Plagueis and Sidious did bring about his birth.

So...case closed? LMAO

Countless reasons could have brought about Anakin.

He doesn't state the meditation did it, just that they "might" have done it.

It could have easily been the midichlorian manipulation, or what not.

Alternatively, Plagueis' role in "they" could be simply providing the knowledge and power for Palpatine, which is what TCSWE suggests.

Whatever the case:

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Did you neglect to read my second line, or what?

Yes, the second line falls into that. You stated "since it's not proven, it can't be used in debates." Therefore, using your own logic, since it can't be proven that Palpatine killing Plags caused the force to further unbalance (something you admitted by calling the passage ambiguous) "it can't be used in debates".

Fine with me. 👆

Inferences and logic are no longer a thing. Unless it's explicitly stated in text, it can't be used.

Therefore, Revan can't ragdoll TPM Obi-Wan. It's not stated in any text. Revan's feats being far better is just a mere coincidence. 👆

Originally posted by SunRazer
Inferences and logic are no longer a thing. Unless it's explicitly stated in text, it can't be used.

Therefore, Revan can't ragdoll TPM Obi-Wan. It's not stated in any text. Revan's feats being far better is just a mere coincidence. 👆

Guys, I've been thinking... Maybe we should start considering Revan's defeat of Malak speculation. I mean, if you think about it, we never really see him deal the final blow; maybe Chuck Norris appeared and did it for him, and left before the final cutscene. Not saying that happened, but like, we don't know for suuure... That explanation is as good as any, right? ¯\_( ツ )_/¯