Darth Plagueis/Palpatine's Meditation War Never Created Anakin Skywalker

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I can, since for something to be used in debate, it has to be proven / stated. You can't bring speculation into debate. It's not canon.

You can play "fill in the blanks" with this hobby

Take Final Fantasy IX

We know the planet Terra was moved some distance from its original orbit to merge with Gaia

Terra possesses no technology that can move planets (FFIII does, but those universes aren't linked)

Terra does have an Android (Garland) that exists to cast Fusion and oversee the merger of two planets

Garland also knows telekinesis

The backstory never clarifies how the planet moved to Gaia, but the information existing in the frame of the story leaves us with the least speculative conclusion being that Garland used some form of magic, probably his TK, to tug Terra on over to Gaia and fuse the two worlds

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No, born. There's an inconsistency with the dates. Since you wanted to dismiss the first one, we have this one.

The fact that this is even the case makes your argument even more retarded. So even your own sources aren't conclusive on when Anakin was born, and yet you still want to nitpick at decimals. Both Anakin's birth and Plagueis' rituals took place in 42-41 BBY; the prophecized bringer-of-balance's birth and Palpatine/Plagueis shifting the Force out of balance are heavily related events. The detail obviously intentional, and you pretending it's not is pretty annoying; can you cut it out and let me return to my Saturday evening?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
There's a difference between using canonical material as a basis for a debate argument, and then using absolute speculation as a basis for a canonical fact.

Your argument has no weight in any actual material for it to even be a debate argument.

We're not using canonical material as a basis for our argument. It's all from an unlicensed fan-fiction written by James Luceno.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How are you going to feel when Snoke shits on Palpatine ?

I base my likings of characters on their character, not their powers, lol. If Snoke proves to be an excellent character, I'll endorse him. I don't are how powerful he is.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
The fact that this is even the case makes your argument even more retarded. So even your own sources aren't conclusive on when Anakin was born, and yet you still want to nitpick at decimals. Both Anakin's birth and Plagueis' rituals took place during 42-41 BBY; the event of the prophecized bringer-of-balance's birth and Palpatine/Plagueis shifting the Force out of balance are heavily related events. The detail obviously intentional, and you pretending it's not is pretty annoying; can you cut it out and let me return to my Saturday evening?

No, the Plagueis ritual absolutely happened after 41.5 BBY.

Anakin's birth either happened 41.9 BBY or 42.6 BBY.

Whatever the case, I win. 😉

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Even if open up the idea for assumptions, the assumption the meditation war caused the birth is not foremost on the assumption list. 😂

First we have to assume that the meditation war actually caused anything (only a 50% chance).

And then we have to assume it specifically reacted to that and not any other damaging Force-shifting event (like a 5% chance).

Another damaging Force-shifting event? Like what?

You're playing "prove the negative" now. "Desperate" doesn't even begin to describe your situation.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Even if open up the idea for assumptions,

Literally every advancement in the history of science used assumptions to create theories that explained data. This includes the breakthroughs that directly led to the computer/whatever you're using right now. The question is which assumptions are more plausible and better explain the facts.

the assumption the meditation war caused it is not foremost on the assumption list. 😂

So it just happens that Plagueis and Sidious shift the Force irrevocably, allowing them to manipulate midichlorians to the point of achieving effective biological immortality (at least for Plagueis), and can even boost their own midichlorian count, and at around this time a being made of midichlorians (which Plagueis and Sidious speculated to be the soldiers of the Force) was created?

Sureeeee...

Originally posted by SunRazer
Another damaging Force-shifting event? Like what?

You're playing "prove the negative" now.

DTM's shifting.

Palpatine's ascension.

The Clone Wars.

Order 66 / the Great Jedi Purge.

The Galactic Empire's spreading influence.

😬

No, the Plagueis ritual absolutely happened prior to 41.5 BBY.

Anakin's birth either happened 41.9 BBY or 42.6 BBY.

Whatever the case, I win. 😉

Thanks for agreeing. 🙂

DTM's shifting.

Palpatine's ascension.

The Clone Wars.

Order 66 / the Great Jedi Purge.

The Galactic Empire's spreading influence.

All addressed already.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
So it just happens that Plagueis and Sidious shift the Force irrevocably, allowing them to manipulate midichlorians to the point of achieving effective biological immortality (at least for Plagueis), and can even boost their own midichlorian count, and at around this time a being made of midichlorians (which Plagueis and Sidious speculated to be the soldiers of the Force) was created?

Sureeeee...

These factors can be attributed to Anakin Skywalker's growth, which was the ultimate Force imbalance, and mere coincidence.

👆

Originally posted by SunRazer
We're not using canonical material as a basis for our argument. It's all from an unlicensed fan-fiction written by James Luceno.

I base my likings of characters on their character, not their powers, lol. If Snoke proves to be an excellent character, I'll endorse him. I don't are how powerful he is.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No, I'm asking you to prove X happened rather than A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, etc.

DTM's shifting.

Palpatine's ascension.

The Clone Wars.

Order 66 / the Great Jedi Purge.

The Galactic Empire's spreading influence.

😬

We know Anakin was created to bring balance to the Force caused by Palpatine's dark side power (and eventually, existence). It's obviously not any of the rest of it.

Plagueis and Sidious try to create a Forceful being, the Force seems to retreat...

and then they find a forceful being whose time of conception is remarkably close to their own rituals (whether it's the same time is kind of besides the point, given that it's the Force).

lol.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Thanks for agreeing. 🙂

You knew what I meant. 😬 Fixed.

And no, you didn't.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
mere coincidence.

Mere coincide in SW when the Force itself is at stake? LMFAO.

Originally posted by SunRazer
We know Anakin was created to bring balance to the Force caused by Palpatine's dark side power (and eventually, existence). It's obviously not any of the rest of it.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
All I care is that since it's not proven, it can't be used in debates.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Palpatine remarked how "the Force had shifted irrevocably" with his ascension, so it seemed to be both.

Point is that it's ambiguous enough that we can't say for certain.

mhmm

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, you do. Do not lie to me. You're biased for Sheev. You'll bow before Snoke and try to get into my club. I'll make you renounce that pile of geriatric shit, Sheev.

Mmmm, because that last sentence obviously doesn't betray any sense of bias on your part against Sheev.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
and then they find a forceful being whose time of conception is remarkably close to their own rituals (whether it's the same time is kind of besides the point, given that it's the Force).

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
These factors can be attributed to Anakin Skywalker's growth, which was the ultimate Force imbalance, and mere coincidence.

Qui-Gon disagrees. ahuh

EDIT: Wtf, did the smiley codes change?

Originally posted by ares834
mhmm