Valkorion's supremacy, a comparison.

Started by AncientPower6 pages

Yoda's best tutaminis feat which has been replicated by Mother Talzin and to a degree, even Galen Marek.

Not that it isn't impressive, but your false equivalence aside, Vitiate's lightning is so far beyond Nyriss' that it's a comparative joke. Nyriss, whose lightning was capable of incinerating one of the three most powerful Jedi in three hundred years, and Scourge who tanked Xedrix's lightning. Who despite suffering from age is still wanked to be the third most powerful Sith in the empire by his time besides the Emperor himself.

Nyriss' lightning being amped also isn't remotely relevant to Revan's raw power, infact it only makes Revan more impressive that he is doing this on a nexus that he states blocks his farsight abilities. Then add three centuries of him gaining knowledge and the fact he is stated to have further intensified his powers as of SOR, and we have a guy that isn't just ashing Nyriss tier Force users, he's likely twice that degree of strength and mastery. Factoring in that he is freely abusing his Force in balance powers and is drawing on the dark side without any hesitation.

He went from losing to a single smaller strike team at the Foundry, to barely being defeated by two much larger and much more powerful groups, who were aided by his other half's spirit. All whilst dragging his dead body around through sheer will power and focusing his powers on the activation of the Temple of Sacrifice.

Darth Marr is simply one source among many, both in-universe and out of universe, that state Revan was insane for even believing he can defeat Vitiate.

There's really no counter here.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Dooku blasting holes in multiple troopers and Malgus blasting holes in a Jedi Knight while massively pre-prime and near fatally injured are far better lightning feats than Nyriss uncharged feat of charring a pair of guards on a nexus.

Given Nyriss can ash two far more powerful Force users than a no-name with a singular telekinesis feat, not really.

I'm lost on how this is supposed to prove Valk > Sids.

Sids was stalemated by Yoda whereas Vitiate, not even prime Valkorion, is stated to be far too powerful for someone as strong as prime Revan.

I don't see how killing Nyriss puts you on par with Yoda.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Given Nyriss can ash two far more powerful Force users than a no-name with a singular telekinesis feat, not really.

Yes, while charging her powers on a nexus.

I cited two noncharged, nonamped feats that are superior to her uncharged but still amped feat - charring two guards.

It isn't simply incinerating Nyriss with ease, as I've made clear.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Sids was stalemated by Yoda whereas Vitiate, not even prime Valkorion, is stated to be far too powerful for someone as strong as prime Revan.

Yoda shits on Revan, and DE Sidious is far above RotS Sidious as well.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Yes, while charging her powers on a nexus.

I cited two noncharged, nonamped feats that are superior to her uncharged but still amped feat - charring two guards.

In what way are you not understanding that this only makes it more impressive for Revan? I don't give a shit about her uncharged, unamped lightning, this is same common sense Carthage struggled to reason with.

Incinerating Nyriss is the single most impressive thing Revan has under his belt. The fluff doesn't matter.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Sids was stalemated by Yoda whereas Vitiate, not even prime Valkorion, is stated to be far too powerful for someone as strong as prime Revan.

Now, you should quantify Revan's standing towards Yoda. This is the main point of your thesis (to estabilish Valkorion superiority over Sidious based on the Vitiate/Revan Sidious/Yoda engagement) and this is where everything collapses.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Yoda shits on Revan, and DE Sidious is far above RotS Sidious as well.

Not even remotely, Yoda has never once dominated someone as powerful as Revan.

Good job Valkorion is far more powerful than Vitiate.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Incinerating Nyriss is the single most impressive thing Revan has under his belt. The fluff doesn't matter.

Pretty sure Nyriss isn't as powerful as two large strike teams, who had the aid of Revan's ghost.

Yeah, it's not impressive for Revan when he both:

a. loses
and
b. kills no one

No matter who helps.

EDIT: Not to mention, this is supposed to be novel Revan anyway.

Originally posted by AncientPower
In what way are you not understanding that this only makes it more impressive for Revan? I don't give a shit about her uncharged, unamped lightning, this is same common sense Carthage struggled to reason with.

Of course you does! You used her lightning to estabilish her as Dooku's superior, thus trying to estabilish a quantification of Revan's powers compared to Yoda.

He has been capable of ashing Sith Lords such as Darth Nyriss, who has Force lightning feats even Count Dooku hasn't replicated.

Revan ashing Nyriss is irrelevant, unless you manage to estabilish a direct connection with Yoda.

You are dismissing your own argument that can be direct compared and returning back to conjecture.

Given the power he is facing and the circumstances of the fights themselves, it is much more impressive.

Remove his need to empower the Temple and the aid both teams had from Revan's ghost, he's likely winning on both occasions. Ant already proved that.

Nyriss obviously isn't as powerful as the strike teams that go around defeating Malgus and the Dread Masters, yet Revan faced down two in a row and barely lost.

The OP is predicated on SOR Revan being eclipsed by Vitiate and then the much more powerful Valkorion.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Not even remotely, Yoda has never once dominated someone as powerful as Revan.

Good job Valkorion is far more powerful than Vitiate.

No, but he's stood up to beings more powerful than Vitiate, who creamed Revan.

👆

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Of course you does! You used her lightning to estabilish her as Dooku's superior, thus trying to estabilish a quantification of Revan's powers compared to Yoda.

Revan ashing Nyriss is irrelevant, unless you manage to estabilish a direct connection with Yoda.

You are dismissing your own argument that can be direct compared and returning back to conjecture.

Nyriss being amped and Revan being hindered by Dromund Kaas is what makes Revan destroying Nyriss with his raw power all the more impressive. So Revan's feat applies directly to how he'd deal with Count Dooku as well.

Replace Novel Revan with a far impressive SOR Revan, we have an established degree of raw power, right there.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Given the power he is facing and the circumstances of the fights themselves, it is much more impressive.

Remove his need to empower the Temple and the aid both teams had from Revan's ghost, he's likely winning on both occasions. Ant already proved that.

Nyriss obviously isn't as powerful as the strike teams that go around defeating Malgus and the Dread Masters, yet Revan faced down two in a row and barely lost.

The OP is predicated on SOR Revan being eclipsed by Vitiate and then the much more powerful Valkorion.

You fail to follow the premises of your own thesis. You need to quantify Revan's standing towards Yoda objectively. 😉

Sorry but stating that this or that is "impressive" doesn't estabilish Revan's position regarding Yoda, as your thesis require. Unless you manage to do that, all of your argument is pure conjecture.