Originally posted by MythLord
It's confirmed he faked exhaustion/defeat at the hands of Mace, so he didn't end up getting fvked.And straining? Just because he's scowling doesn't mean he's straining, lmao; otherwise Mace was strained in breaking bladelocks with Asajj Ventress... T
he fact that he overpowered Maul, and is confirmed to have been "barely tested" and "toying" while Maul is rage-amped completely invalidates your entire argument and just means Sidious pulled off his usual goofing around with opponents.That isn't Sidious straining; this is: https://youtu.be/9DI8kkR9G0Q?t=150
Doesn't really matter that he feigned weakness... he lost the fight. He was put in a position of likely defeat and tried another way. It worked, but let's not pretend like Mace didn't beat him.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well you said Yoda has no way to kill him. Obviously if he can beat him in a Lightsaber fight then he could just stab him in the face. Not guaranteed still, but once he beats him in a duel it's certainly very possible.
I said he can't kill Sidious if the latter goes all-out. Lightsabers are useless against him.
Originally posted by Azronger
Lightsabers are useless against him.
If that were true he wouldn't even bother carrying a Lightsaber. Let alone heavily relying on one when facing his 2 most dangerous adversaries Mace and Yoda.
Originally posted by Azronger
They're from different databank entries.
But all from the databank. There are other sources suggesting it was a stalemate or that Yoda could have won.
Originally posted by Azronger
Based on this:[/I]
I think standing on the edge of a senate pod might have had so
Thing to do with that.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
If that were true he wouldn't even bother carrying a Lightsaber. Let alone heavily relying on one when facing his 2 most dangerous adversaries Mace and Yoda.
"The Sith grew past the use of lightsabers. But we continue to use them, if only to humiliate the Jedi."
―Darth Sidious
Originally posted by Darth Thor
But all from the databank. There are other sources suggesting it was a stalemate or that Yoda could have won.
Which sources? And there're even more claiming Sidious > Yoda
I think standing on the edge of a senate pod might have had so
Thing to do with that.
No, it didn't. Yoda would have lost his lightsaber/been flung brackwards regardless of where he was standing. Case in point:
A lightsaber appeared, green as sunlight in a forest. "The test of that, today will be."
"Even a fraction of the dark side is more power than your Jedi arrogance can conceive; living in the light, you have never seen the depth of the darkness."
The shadow spread arms that made its sleeves into black wings.
"Until now."
Lightning speared from outstretched hands, and the battle was on.
In the Senate Arena, lightning forked from the hands of a Sith, and bent away from the gesture of a Jedi to shock Redrobes into unconsciousness.
Then there were only the two of them.
Their clash transcended the personal; when new lightning blazed, it was not Palpatine burning Yoda with his hate, it was the Lord of all Sith scorching the Master of all Jedi into a smoldering huddle of clothing and green flesh.
Originally posted by Azronger
"The Sith grew past the use of lightsabers. But we continue to use them, if only to humiliate the Jedi."―Darth Sidious
He can say that all he wants, yet he never humiliated either Mace or Yoda with his Lightsaber.
Originally posted by Azronger
Which sources? And there're even more claiming Sidious > Yoda
Doesn't matter as there are contradicting canon and Legend sources.
As for the sources, well the ROTS script for one has Yoda disarming Palpatine and just about to kill him. Palpatine avoids the killing blow, but it clearly shows: 1) Yoda is capable of killing Palpatine and 2) Yoda > Palpatine in Sabers.
The other canon source claiming it was a stalemate:
https://jedi-bibliothek.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/9781368003063-final-2.jpg
^ It's under Yoda's description "after Palpatine fought him to a standstill"
Legends source claiming a near stalemate:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t636537.html
Originally posted by Azronger
No, it didn't. Yoda would have lost his lightsaber/been flung brackwards regardless of where he was standing. Case in point:
LOL So what we just gonna ignore that Yoda later catches Palpatine's lightning in his bear hands? In fact he does that right after he lost his Saber..
Call me crazy, but I would think catching Lightning in a Saber is slightly easier than catching it in your bear hands..
Originally posted by Azronger
Then there were only the two of them.Their clash transcended the personal; when new lightning blazed, it was not Palpatine burning Yoda with his hate, it was the Lord of all Sith scorching the Master of all Jedi into a smoldering huddle of clothing and green flesh.[/I]
Then we just gonna ignore how Yoda smacks Palpatine onto his ass right after?
Originally posted by Azronger
I said he can't kill Sidious if the latter goes all-out. Lightsabers are useless against him.
Which is a blatantly false statement. He WAS going all out against Yoda, and Yoda still overpowered his lighting. We all saw the scene for exactly what it was, well, besides the Sids apologists. Lucas script notes that the Emperor appears doomed. We can visually see the Oh sh1t look on his face, and the time to buckle down look on Yoda's. To say Yoda couldn't beat him is being blatantly disingenuous
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Lucas confirmed a decade ago in the Making of ROTS that both Mace and Yoda can compete with the Emperor. IOW both have a shot at defeating him. Whether they would or not for a majority is a different question though.
He not only said that, but he said he "overpowered" Sidious. Couldn't be more clear.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Totally and completely false. I've destroyed this argument numerous times. Do you care to take up the mantle for this argument? You'll lose, but I'd like to see you try
How about no? It's already blatantly confirmed that Sidious is his superior, or at the very least implied, and every source depicting the fight at least alludes to the idea that Palpatine let go. Arguing with a Windu fanboy on the subject has become rather redundant and usually goes nowhere.
I don't have the time or the energy to run in circles, as I predict this'll go down that way.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Lucas confirmed a decade ago in the Making of ROTS that both Mace and Yoda can compete with the Emperor. IOW both have a shot at defeating him. Whether they would or not for a majority is a different question though.
Well Mace can compete with the Emperor... in the same sense Dooku can compete with Yoda.
