Originally posted by Azronger
Unless you have definitive proof Senya did half the job, then it's unquantifiable. So we're back to her hurling debris.
Don't be a fool. The other individual was only Lana, who isn't a particularly notable Force User, especially when Zakuul Knights are superior on average anyway. Senya is one of the top Knights, whereas Lana is an above average Sith Lord essentially. Senya would obviously be doing at least half of the work, and probably more than that.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Don't be a fool. The other individual was only Lana, who isn't a particularly notable Force User, especially when Zakuul Knights are superior on average anyway. Senya would obviously be doing at least half of the work, and probably more than that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZCSdUgGlgQ&t=13m39s
Originally posted by Azronger
So we're back to her hurling debris.
Originally posted by Azronger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZCSdUgGlgQ&t=13m39s
I didn't say she was shit, but Senya is obviously superior or at least on par. You'd know this if you'd actually played the game. Hurling back some Knights doesn't compare to hurling back the Outlander or beating Vaylin.
Regardless of percentages though, a healthy chunk of that feat is still incredible no matter which side of the 50% line you're on.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I didn't say she was shit, but Senya is obviously superior or at least on par. Hurling back some Knights doesn't compare to hurling back the Outlander or beating Vaylin.
The Outlander was distracted, lol. And beating Vaylin is a saber feat (what does she even have in that category anyway?), so it's irrelevant.
Originally posted by Azronger
The Outlander was distracted, lol. And beating Vaylin is a saber feat (what does she even have in that category anyway?), so it's irrelevant.
They were still entering combat, their basic shields would be up and Senya threw them ridiculously far. And Senya fought Vaylin for ****ing ages, it was obviously not a 100% saber duel.
Stop trying to dismiss a feat just because its good.
Originally posted by Azronger
Please attempt to quantify "incredible".
40+% of the weight of a capital ship the size of the Gravestone. Several thousand tonnes or more most likely.
Originally posted by Nephthys
They were still entering combat, their basic shields would be up and Senya threw them ridiculously far. And Senya fought Vaylin for ****ing ages, it was obviously not a 100% saber duel.Stop trying to dismiss a feat just because its good.
"Basic shields" are hilariously easy to penetrate. People have done so to immeasurably more powerful characters.
So just because it was a marathon duel, the Force was involved? 😂
40+% of the weight of a capital ship the size of the Gravestone. Several thousand tonnes or more most likely.
Please tell me where got that 40% from.
Originally posted by Azronger
"Basic shields" are hilariously easy to penetrate. People have done so to immeasurably more powerful characters.So just because it was a marathon duel, the Force was involved? 😂
You mean.... kinda like with those knights Lana threw back?
Yes.
Originally posted by Azronger
Please tell me where got that 40% from.
An incredible sense of generosity to Lana.
Originally posted by Nephthys
BTW:Uh, yes it is. Theres only two of them, one of which is Senya.
Do you need me to explain how this is quantifiable? Or can you work out what 1 out of 2 represents by yourself?
I love how Neph pretends all the time that the Outlander can only be the HoT logically to wank Arcann, then goes ahead and uses the non-force sensitive cutscene for the Gravestone feat.
Not especially. The fact is that Arcann can perform the feats he does when facing a HoT. And Lana and Senya can perform the Gravestone feat without a force using PC. In both cases this doesn't change if you reverse the protags status. Both circumstances are valid.
I also use the other protags as potential Outlanders. Its just that the Hero represents the pinnacle of the possibilities (in my opinion), and thus the most logical choice when discussing abilities and feats.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Not especially. The fact is that Arcann can perform the feats he does when facing a HoT. And Lana and Senya can perform the Gravestone feat without a force using PC. In both cases this doesn't change if you reverse the protags status. Both circumstances are valid.I also use the other protags as potential Outlanders. Its just that the Hero represents the pinnacle of the possibilities (in my opinion), and thus the most logical choice when discussing abilities and feats.
Beni, can you post that gif of Arcann getting shot and kicked?
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Except that we can see the scene and the non-Force sensitives aren't doing anything impressive, they're just firing single shots in predictable volleys and slowly kicking him.
Right, just like Arcann is slowly swinging his saber, Vader and Ben are tapping their lightsticks together and Sidious is slowly stabbing Kolar in the chest. You have to give them leeway on speed and capabilities because of the limitations of the medium.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Right, just like Arcann is slowly swinging his saber, Vader and Ben are tapping their lightsticks together and Sidious is slowly stabbing Kolar in the chest. You have to give them leeway on speed and capabilities because of the limitations of the medium.
Even if we use our imaginations here, yet calculate in detail the size of the debris Senya threw, I fail to see what the protag could've done to overcome Arcann through a blaster pistol in a one vs. one combat that wouldn't make Arcann out to be sh*t.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Even if we use our imaginations here, yet calculate in detail the size of the debris Senya threw, I fail to see what the protag could've done to overcome Arcann through a blaster pistol in a one vs. one combat that wouldn't make Arcann out to be sh*t.
Well I would say that they were able to stun him via a blow to the head/kick to the chest and then hit him while his guard was lowered. Which wouldn't require Arcann to be shit, it would just need them to be very fast and competent. Which they obviously are.
I mean, its nowhere near Anakin dueling Hondo for like 2 minutes in terms of embarrassing.....