Originally posted by NemeBro
Surtur is just saying that you should be a pussy and lie back and accept it when the government forces their cock down your throat. He isn't condoning the bill itself, just saying that you should just accept it like a good little boy or girl.
This depends what you mean by "accept it". If the bill is passed I'm not saying nobody should protest it(in a peaceful manner, of course).
I said if this passes then using some form of protection is going to have to be embraced more than it is right now.
Originally posted by Surtur
Lol, christ almighty. Who said anything about limiting the choices of women? I never said I'd support this bill. I never said I force women I'm with to get on birth control or anything of the sort.But again I never said I want women penalized for having sex.
Then what exactly is your issue here? That people should use birth control, even though you've said you personally don't because you hate condoms and you expect your female partner(s) too. You really don't see how laughable your stance is?
Originally posted by Robtard
Then what exactly is your issue here? That people should use birth control, even though you've said you personally don't because you hate condoms and you expect your female partner(s) too. You really don't see how laughable your stance is?
Who said I had an issue? I said if this bill gets passed then people need to remember to use birth control if they don't want kids.
I never specified which type of birth control people should use. I also said if I was the type to bang random women I most likely would have used a condom. My stance would be laughable if I said I'd had unprotected sex because I don't like condoms and the woman wasn't on the pill. I've never done it without protection.
I don't expect anything from women. I don't force them onto it. If I was with someone and she didn't want to get on the pill I never said I'd refuse to bang her or use condoms in that situation.
Originally posted by Surtur
Lol, christ almighty. Who said anything about limiting the choices of women? I never said I'd support this bill. I never said I force women I'm with to get on birth control or anything of the sort.
Abortion is a choice available to women. This bill limits that choice. People who respect women recognize that women are capable of making their own choices. People who do not respect women do not think women are capable of making their own choices, and therefore seek to limit the choices of women for their own good. It is pretty straight forward.
Originally posted by Surtur
But again I never said I want women penalized for having sex.
People who claim to be Pro-Life are actually Pro-Birth, because they do not care about the life of the woman who is pregnant, or about the life of the child once it is born. Abortion is less about the sanctity of life, and more about ensuring their are consequences for women who have extra-biblical sex.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Abortion is a choice available to women. This bill limits that choice. People who respect women recognize that women are capable of making their own choices. People who do not respect women do not think women are capable of making their own choices, and therefore seek to limit the choices of women for their own good. It is pretty straight forward.
Abortion should be permitted in exceptional cases only. Otherwise, it is a form of murder and (irresponsible) people have the tendency to abuse this kind of liberty. Keep in mind that the unborn individual becomes alive at some point in the womb.
There is also biological aspect to it. A woman cannot afford to abort an unborn child again and again. Sooner or later, medical complications will arise.
In short, people should act responsibly and not make sex a casual thing. Learn to respect your bodies.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
[B]Abortion is a choice available to women. This bill limits that choice.
People were acting like I'm taking choices away, as in me personally. To which a big: Nope.
People who respect women recognize that women are capable of making their own choices. People who do not respect women do not think women are capable of making their own choices, and therefore seek to limit the choices of women for their own good. It is pretty straight forward.
See above.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Actually it is not that simple.Abortion should be permitted in exceptional cases only. Otherwise, it is a form of murder and (irresponsible) people have the tendency to abuse this kind of liberty. Keep in mind that the unborn individual becomes alive at some point in the womb.
There is also biological aspect to it. A woman cannot afford to abort an unborn child again and again. Sooner or later, medical complications will arise.
In short, people should act responsibly and not make sex a casual thing. Learn to respect your bodies.
Wow. So whether abortion is murder depends on if the case is exceptional or not? That does not sound like any Pro-Life position I have ever heard.
And if women abuse this liberty, so what? People abuse all sorts of liberties, and we do not take them away.
Again, if a woman experiences medical complications, so what? There are risks associated with any medical procedure, and people assume those risks when the choose to undergo that procedure. Why do you think women cannot weigh the costs and benefits themselves? Why do you think you need to interject yourself into their decision-making, because you think you know better than they do?
How about you respect the autonomy of other people, and worry about your own body?
Originally posted by Surtur
People were acting like I'm taking choices away, as in me personally. To which a big: Nope.
Originally posted by Surtur
I guess if you live in Ohio and you don't want a kid? Don't have unprotected sex.I know, weird right? Now someone please bring up abortions in the case of rape or a risk to the mother in order to side step that discussion.
Sounds like you support limiting the choices of women to me.
Originally posted by Surtur
See above.
Originally posted by Surtur
I'm trying to offer alternatives. If you want to use the excuse that BC can fail..you can show you had a prescription for it.As opposed to just a blanket of "for whatever reason you want, get it" in which we remove 100% of responsibility for any sexual actions.
Sounds like you want to penalize women who have sex to me.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Sounds like you support limiting the choices of women to me.Sounds like you want to penalize women who have sex to me.
Well then you're just not very bright, are you? There really isn't anything else to say, it's utter stupidity. Saying if women live in a state where abortion is made illegal and they don't want kids they shouldn't have unprotected sex..isn't me trying to limit them at all. It's using common sense: if abortion is illegal the only alternative is no sex or to practice safe sex.
If I wanted to limit their choices I'd support the bill, which I've said I don't. Funny that..isn't it? You didn't manage to quote those parts. I'm sure you just missed those comments and you weren't ignorantly trying to misrepresent what I'm saying.
Now I know you'll respond and attempt to spin this once again and I do look forward to it.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Actually it is not that simple.Abortion should be permitted in exceptional cases only. Otherwise, it is a form of murder and (irresponsible) people have the tendency to abuse this kind of liberty. Keep in mind that the unborn individual becomes alive at some point in the womb.
There is also biological aspect to it. A woman cannot afford to abort an unborn child again and again. Sooner or later, medical complications will arise.
In short, people should act responsibly and not make sex a casual thing. Learn to respect your bodies.
In what scenario(s) does abortion cross from being murder to not being murder in your mind?