If you can't separate a minor comical title from the serious meat of the topic, it really isn't anyone's fault except yours, sport.
It's up to Governor Kasich to sign and make it law or repeal it. He could also ignore it and in a given amount of days (9 or so, iirc) it will then also automatically become law. #USGov101
What a trashy head for this thread, its about time Ohio did this! Liberals thinking sex is just for 'having fun' and turning it into something other then procreation is the downfall of the west, if you're not grown up enough to take care of a baby you shouldn't be having sex (something that in itself is pro-life not pro-fetus smh).
Originally posted by kevdude
What a trashy head for this thread, its about time Ohio did this!Liberals thinking sex is just for 'having fun' and turning it into something other then procreation is the downfall of the west, if you're not grown up enough to take care of a baby you shouldn't be having sex (something that in itself is pro-life not pro-fetus smh).
1) Calm down
2) All the sex you've had is for "procreation purposes" then?
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The party of small government, individual liberty, and fiscal responsibility strikes again!
Legalize infantcide. 👆
...because some people don't see the different, is the point. Me being one of them... Dead in the womb, dead on the table, you're robbing someone of a life, however you "define" a human being..
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Abortion is a choice available to women. This bill limits that choice. People who respect women recognize that women are capable of making their own choices. People who do not respect women do not think women are capable of making their own choices, and therefore seek to limit the choices of women for their own good. It is pretty straight forward.People who claim to be Pro-Life are actually Pro-Birth, because they do not care about the life of the woman who is pregnant, or about the life of the child once it is born. Abortion is less about the sanctity of life, and more about ensuring their are consequences for women who have extra-biblical sex.
As much as I am pro-life, I think this bill is too excessive as medical reasons where there is a substantial risk to the mother (and low chance of survival for the child) should be valid IMO. However, let me address some of your points:
One is free to have choice up until it affects/hurts another. It is essentially a choice between risking a mother or killing a child. Neither is a good option but if you consider that one is a chance vs another, a guarantee of life lost then we need to make tour decisions based on those choices.
What we should not do is try and dehumanize the fetus just so we can feel better about taking its life.
And you are wrong if you think that it about being punitive to the mother (for the vast majority of us). Where did you even get that idea? Not many ppl would fight this passionately over a topic just to punish strangers. Of course, there are always loonies on both sides but try not to paint us all in the same stroke.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Wow. So whether abortion is murder depends on if the case is exceptional or not? That does not sound like any Pro-Life position I have ever heard.And if women abuse this liberty, so what? People abuse all sorts of liberties, and we do not take them away.
Again, if a woman experiences medical complications, so what? There are risks associated with any medical procedure, and people assume those risks when the choose to undergo that procedure. Why do you think women cannot weigh the costs and benefits themselves? Why do you think you need to interject yourself into their decision-making, because you think you know better than they do?
How about you respect the autonomy of other people, and worry about your own body?
Sounds more like he is willing to find an acceptable compromise (by setting extenuating circumstances) for both sides. That is actually a step in the right direction, isn't it?
One of the primary reasons laws are put in place is to prevent abuses in liberties when such abuses can hurt others.
I agree with your third paragraph somewhat. Women have the right to their own bodies and the risks they take are very much their own choice. This, however, should end when their decisions affect another life.
Originally posted by Robtard
While I realize you're both severe substance abusers and probably drunk or high again right now, can you please take your handjobing each other elsewhere? This is a serious topic; for serious discussion, thanks in advance.
Yeah. Let's get serious about killing poor babies in the womb. It's about sanctity of life as poe said. Cool
Originally posted by RaisenWhat is worse is isn't the difference of opinion but the mentality that people from states shouldn't have this right to determine their own abortion standards. He disagrees which is fine but his inability to respect the other side is blatant hypocrisy. Rob rage created this thread as well.
Yeah. Let's get serious about killing poor babies in the womb. It's about sanctity of life as poe said. Cool
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Compromise happens when one is able to understand that not everybody would share the same view and allowing oneself to try and find a position in the middle of both extremes.
If you are willing to compromise on what you believe to be murder, then you may as well make it a free for all.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If you are willing to compromise on what you believe to be murder, then you may as well make it a free for all.
I disagree. Reality isn't a simple dichotomy. If you do not try to understand the other side, then you spend your whole time yelling at each other/fighting and nothing gets done.