For Jesus Cable
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Conflict resolution and repair of Aleppo, Syria (prior to ceasefire)
In Cable and Deadpool, and Soldier X. Nate dismantled the weapons from opposing sides, and forced them to cease their transgression.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
- Ultron-13 (pure Adamantium casing) in Times square
His T.O. virus is lethal towards tech base foes.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
- Santa claus gets shot in the face on Christmas eve an hour before he sets out and someone has to get the toys to all the kids worldwide by Christmas morning
Soothing the pain of every dying person. Stopped the White blood count deterioration of every Aids victim in Africa.
Delivering Toys, is cake walk for someone that global scale TK, and TP to work with.
Originally posted by psycho gundam- General Eiling in Hong kong
Originally posted by psycho gundam- Mount Everest. Destroy it.
He held afloat a city, and previously blew up a mountain.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Reread his first series, he's ended conflicts/wars before. And it's not as if DC Earth is free of war because of Supes. People are dicks, eventually they always start fighting again. The goal set forth by the OP was just to end the conflict and repair the damage, Surfer can easily accomplish both those things
No, he didn't. He tried to end wars by making himself an enemy and got almost killed in the end in FF 72.
It is to end the war. Not the conflict.
I'm curious as to why you think he couldn't transmute Ultron.
Because he can't transmute adamantium.
Sure he is. I know you won't agree no matter what though, so it'd be silly to bother trying to convince you.
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He is not a speedster. Never has been no matter how much you whine.
Let's see how many speed feats you can show us which shows otherwise.
He was doing it solo pretty effectively in one of his battles with Terrax. It wasn't covered in the actual issue the fight took place in though, it was instead mentioned in a flashback that came out later. I can't remember what issue it was, I just remember the story was told from the perspective of a guy(possibly a reporter, though I'm not 100% on that detail) who lost his wife during the battle(I believe it was established that she was the only person who died as a result of the fight).
I can't recall that. Issue number?
He's also done it to one of Galactus's robots that was about to kill the FF, Terrax, and that giant gestalt monster that was absorbing all the organic matter it came into contact with on Earth. So that's at least 4 times minimum that he's done it, and there are probably other times that I'm just not remembering off the top of my head.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Supes' inability to end wars was pretty distinct in for tomorrow ermm
Originally posted by deathslash
yeah, I think it would take a strong sort of person that makes it blatantly obvious that he'd kill both sides if the fighting continues. I think Thor would be best suited for that job.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he didn't. He tried to end wars by making himself an enemy and got almost killed in the end in FF 72.It is to end the war. Not the conflict.
I'm not talking about him trying to make himself the enemy, I'm talking about him destroying all the weapons on the battlefield and taking out the army leaders and such. The time you're talking about wasn't he trying to end ALL war on the planet by making himself the enemy of everyone?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because he can't transmute adamantium.
What makes you think that? If Magneto can liquefy adamantium, I don't see why Surfer can't transmute it. Does Ultron have some kind of massive resistance feats against transmutation I'm unaware of?
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂He is not a speedster. Never has been no matter how much you whine.
Let's see how many speed feats you can show us which shows otherwise.
As I already said, trying to convince you would be silly. Your lowballing and denial of Surfer's speed feats are legendary.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I can't recall that. Issue number?
I specifically said that I can't remember the issue number and gave you all the details from the issue I could remember. If you choose to disbelieve me that's up to you. With any luck though, someone like Roldz will come along and provide the issue number or scans.
Originally posted by abhilegend
In all those scenarios, he carried them personally. Guess what? Both Ultron and Elling would overpower him if he does that here.
Actually against Galactus's robot he just teleported the thing away. Anyway, I was simply addressing your point that he'd only ever BFRd Durok by listing other instances of him doing it.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not talking about him trying to make himself the enemy, I'm talking about him destroying all the weapons on the battlefield and taking out the army leaders and such. The time you're talking about wasn't he trying to end ALL war on the planet by making himself the enemy of everyone?
And that doesn't stops war. He tried it again in In The Name and it didn't worked there too.
If force is all it takes to win a war, America wouldn't have lost Vietnam War.
What makes you think that? If Magneto can liquefy adamantium, I don't see why Surfer can't transmute it. Does Ultron have some kind of massive resistance feats against transmutation I'm unaware of?
That's Magneto whose control over metal is unparalleled in comics. And you can rearrange adamantium molecules, Ultron moves by constantly rearranging it. You can't transmute it though.
Is there a feat of Surfer transmuting something as tough as Adamantium? Next thing you will say he can transmute Cap's shield as well? Surfer isn't molecule man.
As I already said, trying to convince you would be silly. Your lowballing and denial of Surfer's speed feats are legendary.
Hahaha, oh the denial here. How about this, show me Surfer ever doing a complex scene with his vaunted superspeed.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142536/4795177-1122062501-38977.jpg
Heck, even catching a bullet with his speed would suffice.
I specifically said that I can't remember the issue number and gave you all the details from the issue I could remember. If you choose to disbelieve me that's up to you. With any luck though, someone like Roldz will come along and provide the issue number or scans.
I hardly trust you with anything regarding Surfer. I will check again and see if anything like that occurs in any comic.
Actually against Galactus's robot he just teleported the thing away. Anyway, I was simply addressing your point that he'd only ever BFRd Durok by listing other instances of him doing it.
Both Ultron and Eiling would beat the shit out of him if he used that tactic against them.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And that doesn't stops war. He tried it again in In The Name and it didn't worked there too.If force is all it takes to win a war, America wouldn't have lost Vietnam War.
Force IS all it takes to stop war. America lost Vietnam because they pulled out. Psycho's not asking for the characters to permanently eliminate conflict from the area.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's Magneto whose control over metal is unparalleled in comics. And you can rearrange adamantium molecules, Ultron moves by constantly rearranging it. You can't transmute it though.Is there a feat of Surfer transmuting something as tough as Adamantium? Next thing you will say he can transmute Cap's shield as well? Surfer isn't molecule man.
Do you have something to suggest that adamantium is "so tough" that it can't be transmuted? After all, I'm reasonably sure it's been noted that Surfer's transmutation can rearrange atoms...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha, oh the denial here. How about this, show me Surfer ever doing a complex scene with his vaunted superspeed.http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142536/4795177-1122062501-38977.jpg
Heck, even catching a bullet with his speed would suffice.
You've already been shown such things in the past. Grabbing Nova(the herald) and escaping before the building exploded, grabbing Nova(Richard) by the throat and throwing him without being seen, fighting his double at high speeds, blitzing alien ships while evading fire, etc.
And forget bullets, Surfer's blocked energy blast after they're fired...
Originally posted by abhilegend
I hardly trust you with anything regarding Surfer. I will check again and see if anything like that occurs in any comic.
Go right ahead. You might try cross referencing appearances of Surfer and Terrax since they both appear in the issue.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Issue number for robot scene? And in all those instances he physically carried the characters away.Both Ultron and Eiling would beat the shit out of him if he used that tactic against them.
It was in FF #76, feel free to investigate if you want. This one I actually have scans for though...
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/comicsage/Silver%20Surfer/misc/fantasticfour076-19.jpg
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/comicsage/Silver%20Surfer/misc/fantasticfour076-20.jpg
And again, the other examples were brought up because you seemed to being implying that Surfer BFRing opponents was a one time occurrence that won't repeat itself... it's not. BFR is a perfectly valid tactic for him to use in a forum fight.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Force IS all it takes to stop war. America lost Vietnam because they pulled out. Psycho's not asking for the characters to permanently eliminate conflict from the area.
No, it doesn't. History is littered with examples like that.
Do you have something to suggest that adamantium is "so tough" that it can't be transmuted? After all, I'm reasonably sure it's been noted that Surfer's transmutation can rearrange atoms...
Yes, it has never been transmuted before IIRC except Molecule Man and Surfer has never come close to such a feat.
Why don't you provide a feat that suggest Surfer can actually do it other than asking me to prove a negative?
You've already been shown such things in the past. Grabbing Nova(the herald) and escaping before the building exploded, grabbing Nova(Richard) by the throat and throwing him without being seen, fighting his double at high speeds, blitzing alien ships while evading fire, etc.
So nothing but flight speed? Good to know.
Because it's his board which he has a mental command and which lets him fly at those speeds.
How about this, Surfer races classic Quicksilver on foot. Who wins?
And forget bullets, Surfer's blocked energy blast after they're fired...
Who hasn't? Even street level heroes do that with impunity. Has Surfer ever even catched a bullet which is the simplest speed feat? Heck, even Thor has done that and he is slow as slug.
Go right ahead. You might try cross referencing appearances of Surfer and Terrax since they both appear in the issue.
Well, of course.
It was in FF #76, feel free to investigate if you want. This one I actually have scans for though...
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/comicsage/Silver%20Surfer/misc/fantasticfour076-19.jpg
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/comicsage/Silver%20Surfer/misc/fantasticfour076-20.jpg
So one instance nearly fifty years ago?
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And again, the other examples were brought up because you seemed to being implying that Surfer BFRing opponents was a one time occurrence that won't repeat itself... it's not. BFR is a perfectly valid tactic for him to use in a forum fight.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it doesn't. History is littered with examples like that.
You're being ridiculous, it's also littered with instances of force being all that's required(just look at Japan during WW2). Again, Pycho's not asking for the character to create permanent peace in the area, just standard conflict resolution. These factions came to a cease fire on their own WITHOUT someone eliminating all weapons on both sides, offering to repair all the collateral damage done, and healing the survivors.
And while I'm thinking about it, never in our history has a situation arisen where someone like Surfer got involved so you bringing up that Earth's wars have never been solved by force is a little... off, to say the least. We're talking about an actual, real life conflict here on Earth after all.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, it has never been transmuted before IIRC except Molecule Man and Surfer has never come close to such a feat.Why don't you provide a feat that suggest Surfer can actually do it other than asking me to prove a negative?
I'm not asking for you to prove a negative, I'm asking you to back your claim that while Adamantium's molecules can be moved around the substance can't be transmuted. To make a claim like that, you need to have something to base it on. There are a number of characters/items/substances in comics that have never been transmuted before, that doesn't automatically confer immunity to the tactic. Those things need something to suggest that they're the exception to the rule.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So nothing but flight speed? Good to know.Because it's his board which he has a mental command and which lets him fly at those speeds.
How about this, Surfer races classic Quicksilver on foot. Who wins?
It's not only flight speed, it takes arm/mental speed to successfully grab stuff at those speeds and to aim/attack at targets at those speeds.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Who hasn't? Even street level heroes do that with impunity. Has Surfer ever even catched a bullet which is the simplest speed feat? Heck, even Thor has done that and he is slow as slug.
You're engineering a specific example as the only possible proof... doesn't work that way. Surfer doesn't need to catch bullets. Come to think of it though, he has absorbed them in flight. And no, street level heroes don't do it the way Surfer does. Look at his confrontation with the Eternals when we see Ikariss eyeblast halfway to Surfer while his arms are at his side, and then Surfer raises his hand and blocks it for an example.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So one instance nearly fifty years ago?👆
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not if he doesn't uses it regularly. He might do it personally but in that case he gets his shit kicked in.
He doesn't have to do it regularly for it to be "in character" for him to do it when the situation warrants it in a forum fight silly. Comic fights seldom meet the conditions of a forum fight.
Originally posted by darthgoober
You're being ridiculous, it's also littered with instances of force being all that's required(just look at Japan during WW2). Again, Pycho's not asking for the character to create permanent peace in the area, just standard conflict resolution. These factions came to a cease fire on their own WITHOUT someone eliminating all weapons on both sides, offering to repair all the collateral damage done, and healing the survivors.
That's rubbish. If that was all it takes to finish a war, no wars will be fought today.
Guess what, it has never been enough.
And while I'm thinking about it, never in our history has a situation arisen where someone like Surfer got involved so you bringing up that Earth's wars have never been solved by force is a little... off, to say the least. We're talking about an actual, real life conflict here on Earth after all.
Maybe, maybe not. All we can go are from comics and Surfer has never been able to stop a war.
I'm not asking for you to prove a negative, I'm asking you to back your claim that while Adamantium's molecules can be moved around the substance can't be transmuted.
You need to prove that it can be transmuted in the first place by someone like Surfer.
Asking to prove "Prove Surfer can't transmute Adamantium" is proving a negative.
Using Magneto as a stand in for Surfer? Pitiful.
To make a claim like that, you need to have something to base it on. There are a number of characters/items/substances in comics that have never been transmuted before, that doesn't automatically confer immunity to the tactic. Those things need something to suggest that they're the exception to the rule.
So you have nothing. Good to know.
It's not only flight speed, it takes arm/mental speed to successfully grab stuff at those speeds and to aim/attack at targets at those speeds.
Not in comics. That's why Lobo and Green Lanterns can fly at FTL speeds. Surfer is just a slower GL after all.
You're engineering a specific example as the only possible proof... doesn't work that way. Surfer doesn't need to catch bullets.
Surfer needs to do anything resembling superspeed to have speed. Flying fast isn't superspeed.
Come to think of it though, he has absorbed them in flight.
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Pitiful.
And no, street level heroes don't do it the way Surfer does. Look at his confrontation with the Eternals when we see Ikariss eyeblast halfway to Surfer while his arms are at his side, and then Surfer raises his hand and blocks it for an example.
Batman has blocked heat vision from behind and has actually dodged Dr Light's lightspeed blasts.
Blocking lasers is literally the shittiest thing you can bring up for superspeed.
The point is that he's done it. I was addressing your claim that he's ONLY ever done it by dragging his opponent away, that's untrue. Mathematically, one is infinitely more than zero. He's also covered Millinius in rock and sent him to the core of a planet without dragging him now that I'm thinking about it.
Heh, one out of what thousands? You'll have better luck showing Hulk can fly because he once did.
After he was defeated. Before that? Fisticuffs as usual.
Here Thor isn't going to save him.
He doesn't have to do it regularly for it to be "in character" for him to do it when the situation warrants it in a forum fight silly. Comic fights seldom meet the conditions of a forum fight.
You don't make the rules here.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's rubbish. If that was all it takes to finish a war, no wars will be fought today.Guess what, it has never been enough.
When has it ever been possible for someone to do all that Surfer can do? Never. So you can't really say it's NEVER been enough.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Maybe, maybe not. All we can go are from comics and Surfer has never been able to stop a war.
Marvel Earth and real world Earth are radically different. The question posed is in regards to this thread involves OUR Earth so you can't use Marvel Earth as a basis when Marvel Earth has an actual established history of super beings that our Earth lacks. It's a totally theoretical question with nothing to base it on except logic and common sense.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You need to prove that it can be transmuted in the first place by someone like Surfer.Asking to prove "Prove Surfer can't transmute Adamantium" is proving a negative.
Using Magneto as a stand in for Surfer? Pitiful.
So you have nothing. Good to know.
Surfer can transmute matter and energy, adamantium is matter. If you're claiming that Adamantium is an exception to the rule you need something to suggest it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not in comics. That's why Lobo and Green Lanterns can fly at FTL speeds. Surfer is just a slower GL after all.
If Lobo and GL can enter into combat range, grab someone by the throat, and throw them with such speed that they're totally unseen then they're speedsters too.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer needs to do anything resembling superspeed to have speed. Flying fast isn't superspeed.
Grabbing someone and throwing them at superspeed is superspeed. Grabbing ANYTHING stationary while moving at lightspeed is super speed. Fighting at superspeed is superspeed. You're being silly here. See, this is why I said it was silly to try to convince you, all you do is plug your ears and ignore reason.
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂Pitiful.
I didn't say it was a big thing, just pointing out that he's reacted to bullets too.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Batman has blocked heat vision from behind and has actually dodged Dr Light's lightspeed blasts.Blocking lasers is literally the shittiest thing you can bring up for superspeed.
Batman is Batman. Guys like him and Cap do stuff that goes above and beyond common sense and the suspension of disbelieve all the time. He's also snuck up on Superman and grabbed the Flash, that doesn't mean someone else sneaking up on Supes or grabbing Flash is any less of a feat.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, one out of what thousands? You'll have better luck showing Hulk can fly because he once did.After he was defeated. Before that? Fisticuffs as usual.
Here Thor isn't going to save him.
Again one is infinitely more than zero, which is what you claimed. And two definitely is.
Originally posted by abhilegend
But he actually needs to do it more than once for being feasible. If he does carry characters away a dozen times and teleported them away one time, in character he is going to carry them away.You don't make the rules here.
I'm not trying to make the rules, you're trying to twist the rules compartmentalize feats to hurt any character who's not your boy. It's in character for Surfer to BFR, however he chooses to do it, period.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
👆Mini Cosmic Containment Unit for the win...
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Originally posted by abhilegend
We are talking about Surfer the character. Not your imagination version of Surfer.
He's easily the best man for the job going by ON PANEL evidence.
