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psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

About the peace in Syria one: it's ending the conflict AND bringing about some form of resolution that keeps the region stable for as long as possible, kinda like hos the American civil war hasn't had any real cause for a part 2

You can go extreme with it cause there is a difference between cheating on a test and getting a B and then there is making it so that you never have to come in to school again but you never get anything lower than an A- ever again

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by psycho gundam
About the peace in Syria one: it's ending the conflict AND bringing about some form of resolution that keeps the region stable for as long as possible, kinda like hos the American civil war hasn't had any real cause for a part 2
You can go extreme with it cause there is a difference between cheating on a test and getting a B and then there is making it so that you never have to come in to school again but you never get anything lower than an A- ever again

But not actually peace permanantly right? Like even though Germany's involvement in WW2 happened, the end of World War 1 was conflict resolution. Do that actually have to guarantee that the guys are NEVER going to war again? How would ANY character be able to guarantee that kind of thing?

Surtur Restricted

Originally posted by darthgoober
But not actually peace permanantly right? Like even though Germany's involvement in WW2 happened, the end of World War 1 was conflict resolution.

One of the things that primed Germany for the nazi's and for WW2 was the way we handled the resolution of WW1.

So when peace is made we need to look at how it was made to determine how long it potentially will last.

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

Originally posted by darthgoober
But not actually peace permanantly right? Like even though Germany's involvement in WW2 happened, the end of World War 1 was conflict resolution. Do that actually have to guarantee that the guys are NEVER going to war again? How would ANY character be able to guarantee that kind of thing?

Germany was in economic turmoil after the first world war and that's where H****r galvanized the pain and sorrow with the whole workers party thing x scapegoating + the treaty of Versailles issue ^ outside forces helped fund the rejuvenation (see: USA) = WWII wasn't far off in the future.

Anyway...Every hero can end a conflict in an unstable state but who can keep the peace longer? That's the question really cause a ceasefire is cool and all but that's just an opportunity to reload half the time

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Surtur
One of the things that primed Germany for the nazi's and for WW2 was the way we handled the resolution of WW1.
So when peace is made we need to look at how it was made to determine how long it potentially will last.

Yeah but we're still talking about 2 different conflicts. If the requirement is PERMENANT peace... well that's impossible to determine because time's still marching on. There has never been a war that can be said to have ended FOREVER in the history of the world because the Earth hasn't ended yet.

I mean it's psycho's thread so obviously he can set the standard wherever he want, I'm just pointing out that what he's asking for goes well beyone simple "conflict resolution" as put forth in the opening post.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Germany was in economic turmoil after the first world war and that's where H****r galvanized the pain and sorrow with the whole workers party thing x scapegoating + the treaty of Versailles issue ^ outside forces helped fund the rejuvenation (see: USA) = WWII wasn't far off in the future.
Anyway...Every hero can end a conflict in an unstable state but who can keep the peace longer? That's the question really cause a ceasefire is cool and all but that's just an opportunity to reload half the time

Awesome, thanks for the clarification. So it's not achieving a benchmark of "permanant peace", just who can end the fighting, repair all the damage done, and keep the people happy and away from each others throats the longest, right?

Also, are we assuming the character's reputation as fictional characters are carrying over into the resolution? Like if Supes touches down on the battlefield are the army's going to recognize him as "Superman, the guy from the comicbooks"?

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All the characters fly the Earth into the Sun, permanent peace sorted.

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

Originally posted by darthgoober
Awesome, thanks for the clarification. So it's not achieving a benchmark of "permanant peace", just who can end the fighting, repair all the damage done, and keep the people happy and away from each others throats the longest, right?
Also, are we assuming the character's reputation as fictional characters are carrying over into the resolution? Like if Supes touches down on the battlefield are the army's going to recognize him as "Superman, the guy from the comicbooks"?

Reputation doesn't matter. All of them will just be people in costumes that descend from the sky which may be enough to earn respect alone

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
Still measured by his success in Marvel earth. Surfer doesn't exists in real life.

Yes but the question that's been put forth is in regards to him existing in real life. Ergo, we fall back on the theoretical.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, run away to someone again. That's your whole schtick.

Seeking clarification so we don't have to waste time on pointless tangents isn't running away. And you should be glad I did because now we have a better understanding of what psycho was looking for. Turns out that it's somewhere in the middle between what each of us was saying. But Surfer's still the better man for the job lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
So what's the limit?

The limit's never been spelled out in black and white so that question is impossible to answer. But you'll never see me saying that he can definitely transmute something that's shown a resistance to transmutation.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, Adamantium is just slightly less dense than Cap shield. That's in itself is enough.

There's more going on with Cap's shield than density, as specifically commented on by Molecule Man.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't need to. You don't ask why Spider-Man can't break Adamantium.
You need to prove he can transmute it. Not the other way around.

We've seen Spider-Man try and fail to break things less durable than adamantium. We haven't seen Surfer fail to transmute things just because they were "too durable/dense" to do so.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah right. One Adamantium ultron casually shrugged off attacks from Surfer and dozens of heavy hitters with Kang.

You mean the version of Ultron that wasn't made of Adamantium but a Adamantium/Vibranium alloy that's equated to Cap's shield? Something tells me that "Ultron and Surfer from an alternate future" isn't the versions psycho has lined up here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surprise attack. Even Alan has moved so fast that Wally himself couldn't see him when he caught him by surprise.
And Nova is at the bottom level of speedsters. He can't even maneuver at Mach speeds lol.

He actually took a complex action against Wally from in front and was invisible to him?

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it is not. You are always welcome to run to Pr though.

Of course it is. And going to PR would be pointless because he's not going to make a ruling on the interpretation of a single panel.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who cares about others?

The whole point of a debate is to sway the people watching. You're lack of concern for accomplishing that simple goal is why you lose virtually every debate.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure, go ahead.

And what kind of concession do I get if I find such a quote from you?

Originally posted by abhilegend
So run away like the sissy you are.
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Wow you seem to take all of this REALLY personally lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
There is quite a bit of context in that scene. I don't think you will understand though.
And you want me to post Superman catching bullets, eh?

I don't question Supes's ability to catch bullets, my point is that a showing like that doesn't take away from a characters established speed silly.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you're unable to read. Got it.

I read every word. And no where did it say that it was anything other than a stream of HV. And since we clearly see the HV cutting a path towards Batman I think my interpretation is spot on.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Katana did actually better than Surfer. First you ask that Logan is in a different panel when the blast is fired bug when I post Katana deflecting several light beams it's invalid because it's in the same panel?
Stay on the same logic will you? This is just hilarious.

I'm using the same logic. In the scan with Logan we don't see Logan's position when the blast is fired and in route. In the scan with Katana there's obviously and ambiguous time elapse happening within the panel. In Surfer's confrontation with Ikaris we see Surfer standing with his arms at his sides as the blast is fired and heads towards him, then in the next panel he raises his hand before it hits him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, we do. That's why Logan is swinging his arm to bat the blast away.
It's far Superior to Surfer merely raising his hand.

No we don't, it's ambiguous. Maybe they're reacting to seeing him press the button on his visor or some such thing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it wasn't. Bill occupied Thor in the middle while Surfer was knocked out.

Here's the whole thing, point to where Surfer is one shotted because I'm just not seeing it...

Originally posted by abhilegend
So no proof. Good to know.

I'm not saying that you should just take my word for it, feel free to ask.

Originally posted by abhilegend
In character. And it's in character for Surfer to physically BFR opponents.

Characters don't violate the rules. Surely you can understand such a thing?

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's quite enough for me.

Good thing lol

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes but the question that's been put forth is in regards to him existing in real life. Ergo, we fall back on the theoretical.

And here you go again. You are just making new feats for Surfer because you don't have any such feat from him.

Seeking clarification so we don't have to waste time on pointless tangents isn't running away. And you should be glad I did because now we have a better understanding of what psycho was looking for. Turns out that it's somewhere in the middle between what each of us was saying. But Surfer's still the better man for the job lol

Haha no, only thick minds like you do that. Me, I already know what something means.

The limit's never been spelled out in black and white so that question is impossible to answer. But you'll never see me saying that he can definitely transmute something that's shown a resistance to transmutation.

So, no limit fallacy it is.

There's more going on with Cap's shield than density, as specifically commented on by Molecule Man.

Like what?

We've seen Spider-Man try and fail to break things less durable than adamantium. We haven't seen Surfer fail to transmute things just because they were "too durable/dense" to do so.

So no limit fallacy. Good thing to know that you have nothing else.

You mean the version of Ultron that wasn't made of Adamantium but a Adamantium/Vibranium alloy that's equated to Cap's shield? Something tells me that "Ultron and Surfer from an alternate future" isn't the versions psycho has lined up here.

And Adamantium is only slightly less durable than that alloy.

Kang was recruiting characters from the past, not future.

He actually took a complex action against Wally from in front and was invisible to him?

Yes. Wally couldn't even blink.

Nov could at least know something hit him.

Of course it is. And going to PR would be pointless because he's not going to make a ruling on the interpretation of a single panel.

So you have nothing and I'm supposed to take you on your word? Sorry chump.

The whole point of a debate is to sway the people watching. You're lack of concern for accomplishing that simple goal is why you lose virtually every debate.

Then how it is that I win everytime against you?

And what kind of concession do I get if I find such a quote from you?

Nothing of course. I'm not the kind of poster I was years ago like you. I'm always learning new things.

Wow you seem to take all of this REALLY personally lol

Not even close chump. But keep guessing.

I don't question Supes's ability to catch bullets, my point is that a showing like that doesn't take away from a characters established speed silly.

But surfer has never caught bullets. SO of course it raises questions on his ability to actually catch one.

Superman is an established speedster.

Better luck next time chump.

I read every word. And no where did it say that it was anything other than a stream of HV. And since we clearly see the HV cutting a path towards Batman I think my interpretation is spot on.

Its not. Its a burst of HV which Batman deflects. Not a continuous beam of HV which slowly comes towrads him.

I'm using the same logic. In the scan with Logan we don't see Logan's position when the blast is fired and in route.

But we do see him swing so it means he was in a different position.

In the scan with Katana there's obviously and ambiguous time elapse happening within the panel.

No, it is not. Its all happening in quick bursts of speed.

In Surfer's confrontation with Ikaris we see Surfer standing with his arms at his sides as the blast is fired and heads towards him, then in the next panel he raises his hand before it hits him.

Which is slow as **** compared to Katana deflecting several light beams from different positions. And Surfer's arm is already outstretched in the first panel and even Super Skrull is able to see the blast coming and chat with Surfer.

That's a slow as **** block if anything. Compare that to this thing of beauty.

There is not even comparison between two.

No we don't, it's ambiguous. Maybe they're reacting to seeing him press the button on his visor or some such thing.

No, they are not. And how is Cap deflecting the ricocheting blast seeing Scott's face?

Here's the whole thing, point to where Surfer is one shotted because I'm just not seeing it...
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Right here.

He wasn't even holding back.

I'm not saying that you should just take my word for it, feel free to ask.[quote]
Ask to whom?
[quote]Characters don't violate the rules. Surely you can understand such a thing?

Strangely I looked into the rules thread and there was no such rule.

Good thing lol

Yep, I'm going to wreck you again.

Maybe this time you don't cry and leave the forum again.

"Id" The Man of Tomorrow

Can we just have a battlezone between Ahbi Superman vs Goobers Surfer?

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

I made that back in the day. It's in the battlezone forum

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by "Id"
Can we just have a battlezone between Ahbi Superman vs Goobers Surfer?

I already asked him. Goober ran away.

😂

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by "Id"
Can we just have a battlezone between Ahbi Superman vs Goobers Surfer?

Abhi lost his shit in one post.

"Id" The Man of Tomorrow

Originally posted by psycho gundam
I made that back in the day. It's in the battlezone forum

Link me.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
And here you go again. You are just making new feats for Surfer because you don't have any such feat from him.

I'm not making up any feats for Surfer, I'm talking about him doing stuff that he's done in the past. Destroying armies weapons, done. Repairing buildings, done. Healing people, done.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha no, only thick minds like you do that. Me, I already know what something means.

Obviously you don't because you were wrong about the requirements for the scenario.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So, no limit fallacy it is.

Nope. Again, you'd never see me saying that he could transmute something like Thor's hammer. And that's even though he has that feat where he arguably transmuted Thor's hammer back to it's original form when it was disguised.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like what?

It's never specified exactly what all is going on with it, just that it's even crazier than Thor's hammer or Surfer's board.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So no limit fallacy. Good thing to know that you have nothing else.

I'm not saying there's no limits on what he can transmute lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
And Adamantium is only slightly less durable than that alloy.
Kang was recruiting characters from the past, not future.

Is it an alternate timeline/universe or not?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes. Wally couldn't even blink.

Nov could at least know something hit him.

Well that's nothing more than Wally being written incorrectly across the board because everyone and their dog knows for a fact that Wally>>>>>>>>>>Jay.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you have nothing and I'm supposed to take you on your word? Sorry chump.

I'm not saying that you have to agree with my interpretation, just that it's obviously ambiguous.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Then how it is that I win everytime against you?

It just seems that way to you because you only listen to the voices in your head lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nothing of course. I'm not the kind of poster I was years ago like you. I'm always learning new things.

Wow what happened to your confidence in my being unable to find an instance of you saying that Surfer doesn't have superspeed lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not even close chump. But keep guessing.

Personal attacks like "idiot", "sissy", and "chump" are a pretty clear indication that you ARE taking our little discussions a bit too personally lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
But surfer has never caught bullets. SO of course it raises questions on his ability to actually catch one.
Superman is an established speedster.
Better luck next time chump.

So is Surfer, you just won't accept it lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its not. Its a burst of HV which Batman deflects. Not a continuous beam of HV which slowly comes towrads him.

Again abhi, there's a clear depiction of the HV cutting a path along the ground towards Batman when Batman is stopped and reaching for the mirror. And I'm not saying that it's moving SLOWLY, just that it's continuous and visible.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Right here.

He wasn't even holding back.

You see how Surfer's already on the ground when his board comes back? That's because and Thor had already been fighting while his board made the trip to drop off BRB WHILE he was holding back. And he'd already taken multiple hits from Thor at the outset of the fight. Ergo, not a "one shot".

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ask to whom?

Ask a mod.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Strangely I looked into the rules thread and there was no such rule.

You honestly need to see it written that characters don't voluntarily forfeit forum fights?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yep, I'm going to wreck you again.
Maybe this time you don't cry and leave the forum again.

😂

Weren't you the one who was ready to leave the forum because Pr compared you to carver? As I recall, he actually had to sooth that burn a bit and explain that it wasn't a matter of him not liking you the way you were claiming. You're hardly in a position to criticize someone deciding to walk away WITHOUT causing a public scene over a disagreement with a Mod.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by "Id"
Link me.

The whole thread was deleted. I made my opening post, abhi threw a fit and refused to respond until I made a different opening post, then he started got even madder when the judges told him that I didn't have to make a different post... it was just a big mess. Me and some others saved the screenshots of the whole thing though, I'll PM them to you later when I have time to go through my stuff if you want.

ghostman Senior Member

Originally posted by darthgoober
The whole thread was deleted. I made my opening post, abhi threw a fit and refused to respond until I made a different opening post, then he started got even madder when the judges told him that I didn't have to make a different post... it was just a big mess. Me and some others saved the screenshots of the whole thing though, I'll PM them to you later when I have time to go through my stuff if you want.

me too. please

darthgoober Senior Member

It occurs to me that rather than my and abhi's actual battlezone, he may have been talking about his "Surfer vs Supes Tournament Style" thread. That still exists in the BZ forum, here's the link...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=540389&pagenumber=1

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not making up any feats for Surfer, I'm talking about him doing stuff that he's done in the past. Destroying armies weapons, done. Repairing buildings, done. Healing people, done

Never stopped a war fully. Also done.

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Obviously you don't because you were wrong about the requirements for the scenario.

According to whom?

Nope. Again, you'd never see me saying that he could transmute something like Thor's hammer. And that's even though he has that feat where he arguably transmuted Thor's hammer back to it's original form when it was disguised.

He just displaced it from its other dimensional place.

Adamantium is in the same category of toughness as Mjolnir if you don't know.

It's never specified exactly what all is going on with it, just that it's even crazier than Thor's hammer or Surfer's board.

So nothing. Good to know. He just said that it has the weirdest molecules he had seen.

That's it.

I'm not saying there's no limits on what he can transmute lol

But Adamantium is within limits without any proof, eh?
It's called having your cake and eat it too.
Is it an alternate timeline/universe or not?
It's never specified if the characters are from future as you claimed.
Well that's nothing more than Wally being written incorrectly across the board because everyone and their dog knows for a fact that Wally>>>>>>>>>>Jay.
Surprise is a *****.
But hey, now when I present a feat which shits all over yours and you have no counter, it just doesn't matters. Because excuses.
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I'm not saying that you have to agree with my interpretation, just that it's obviously ambiguous.
Obviously its not. It doesn't matter if you think it's ambiguous.
It just seems that way to you because you only listen to the voices in your head lol.
That's Randy Orton. I'm just saying what's on page.
Wow what happened to your confidence in my being unable to find an instance of you saying that Surfer doesn't have superspeed lol
You can still go ahead and do it. Did I say otherwise?
Personal attacks like "idiot", "sissy", and "chump" are a pretty clear indication that you ARE taking our little discussions a bit too personally lol
Obviously wrong as always. If I ever get personal, you'll know. Trust me you'll know.
So is Surfer, you just won't accept it lol
Because there is nothing to accept. I've read pretty much every Surfer issue ever and he is never shown as a Speedster.
Again abhi, there's a clear depiction of the HV cutting a path along the ground towards Batman when Batman is stopped and reaching for the mirror. And I'm not saying that it's moving SLOWLY, just that it's continuous and visible.
No, it is not. Get glasses.
You see how Surfer's already on the ground when his board comes back?
Yes.
That's because and Thor had already been fighting while his board made the trip to drop off BRB WHILE he was holding back. And he'd already taken multiple hits from Thor at the outset of the fight. Ergo, not a "one shot".
His board just sent her to Sif who was nearby who teleported with Norn stones.
There is no indication that he took any attacks off panel. The only attack which landed KTFO him.
Ask a mod.
Why?
You honestly need to see it written that characters don't voluntarily forfeit forum fights?
That dragging them away somehow means they lose even though both characters leave the battlefield.
Quote the ruling.
😂
Weren't you the one who was ready to leave the forum because Pr compared you to carver?
And? I didn't, did I?

As I recall, he actually had to sooth that burn a bit and explain that it wasn't a matter of him not liking you the way you were claiming. You're hardly in a position to criticize someone deciding to walk away WITHOUT causing a public scene over a disagreement with a Mod.

Really? Because I seem to think otherwise.

And guess whose opinion actually matters to me?