Best man for the job III

Originally posted by darthgoober
The whole thread was deleted. I made my opening post, abhi threw a fit and refused to respond until I made a different opening post, then he started got even madder when the judges told him that I didn't have to make a different post... it was just a big mess. Me and some others saved the screenshots of the whole thing though, I'll PM them to you later when I have time to go through my stuff if you want.

And left the forum again because Bada banned you.

😂

Originally posted by darthgoober
It occurs to me that rather than my and abhi's actual battlezone, he may have been talking about his "Surfer vs Supes Tournament Style" thread. That still exists in the BZ forum, here's the link...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=540389&pagenumber=1

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh and superman erases surfer from existence in a fraction of a nanosecond.

Fire away all red sun, kryptonite and energy drain tactics.

👆

Originally posted by abhilegend
Never stopped a war fully. Also done.

👆

Pretty sure he did. I have no problem admitting that I'm less than a 100% certain that there was some kind of actual war(probably civil) going on when Surfer killed this dictator, but I believe there was...

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/comicsage/Silver%20Surfer/mental/FM_1980_011_17.jpg
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/comicsage/Silver%20Surfer/mental/FM_1980_011_18.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
According to whom?

According to psycho. It's not about achieving "permanent peace", it's about who can keep them from fighting the longest. Surfer's the clear choice since Supes doesn't have his rep to draw on in this fight and Surfer's able to disarm the armies, repair all the collateral damage, heal people, and that kind of thing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He just displaced it from its other dimensional place.

Adamantium is in the same category of toughness as Mjolnir if you don't know.

I don't shy away from saying that Surfer could transmute the hammer because of how tough it is, but because it's magic.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So nothing. Good to know. He just said that it has the weirdest molecules he had seen.

That's it.

And then failed to reassemble it properly. And again, I'm not actually stating that he'd be unable to transmute Cap's shield, just that there's enough to suggest that he may not be able to.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But Adamantium is within limits without any proof, eh?

It's called having your cake and eat it too.

There's no logical reason that it WOULDN'T be within the limits since it's never been stated that toughness is any issue in regards to what he can transmute.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It's never specified if the characters are from future as you claimed.

Hey I got no problem admitting that I'm shaky on the details of the Age of Ultron arc, I just knew it was an alternate universe.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surprise is a *****.

But hey, now when I present a feat which shits all over yours and you have no counter, it just doesn't matters. Because excuses.

😂

Pointing out that Wally obviously wasn't being handled right isn't just an excuse, it's totally accurate. Especially when you take into consideration that Kyle was able to spring into action at the exact same time.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Obviously its not. It doesn't matter if you think it's ambiguous.

Yes it is, we don't actually see the swing there we only see him with his fist held strait out. What's so hard to understand about that? And according to you, one only wins a debate if he manages to convince his opponent so the simple fact that I believe it's ambiguous means that you've yet to win the exchange on this(or any other) tangent lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's Randy Orton. I'm just saying what's on page.

Sure abhi, sure lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
You can still go ahead and do it. Did I say otherwise?

What would be the point of such a search without some kind of concession from you in regards to it?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Obviously wrong as always. If I ever get personal, you'll know. Trust me you'll know.

Yeah, and I DO know. Such things are personal attacks.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because there is nothing to accept. I've read pretty much every Surfer issue ever and he is never shown as a Speedster.

Sure he is, that's why Pr ruled that he has super speed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it is not. Get glasses.

Yes it is. You can see the line that's being cut on the ground.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes.

His board just sent her to Sif who was nearby who teleported with Norn stones.

There is no indication that he took any attacks off panel. The only attack which landed KTFO him.

The fact that he's on the ground is proof that there was action going on off panel because he wasn't on the ground when the board left. PLUS the attacks he took at the outset of the fight.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why?

So you know I'm not lying about it of course.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That dragging them away somehow means they lose even though both characters leave the battlefield.

Quote the ruling.

As I said, the ruling was made years ago I don't have it on hand or know where to find it off the top of my head.

And anyway, now you're trying to shift the topic because you've been saying that it's in character for him to forfeit the fight so that's what he'll do.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And? I didn't, did I?

Because Pr talked you down lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? Because I seem to think otherwise.

And guess whose opinion actually matters to me?

Evidently more people's opinion matter to you than you let on or you wouldn't have gotten all huffy about Pr's comment in the first place 😉

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ah yes, the thread where you essentially asked judges to ignore anything I post because I'm just a liar and you're patron saint of debaters.

And left the forum again because Bada banned you.

😂

Hey I never said that I'm a saint, I just pointed out your gameplan. And it wouldn't have bothered you if my prediction wasn't spot on. After all, your's is the only opinion you care about right lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, no. Even Marvel doesn't think Surfer has superhuman reflexes.

crylaugh

Ahh the legendary foot in mouth technique... A staple in Abhi Lowball's debating style. You truly are the gift that keeps on giving.

superdur

Originally posted by abhilegend
When have I ever used bios? The bios are always unreliable.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Never used a bio to prove something out of the comic.

You know its utter desperation when someone breaks out a handbook. 😬

If both parties agree I could set up a match SS vs. Supes for the KMC HH number one ranked position. Think id is still champ in that weight class.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Pretty sure he did. I have no problem admitting that I'm less than a 100% certain that there was some kind of actual war(probably civil) going on when Surfer killed this dictator, but I believe there was...

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/comicsage/Silver%20Surfer/mental/FM_1980_011_17.jpg
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt80/comicsage/Silver%20Surfer/mental/FM_1980_011_18.jpg

Here there is no dictator to kill.

According to psycho. It's not about achieving "permanent peace", it's about who can keep them from fighting the longest. Surfer's the clear choice since Supes doesn't have his rep to draw on in this fight and Surfer's able to disarm the armies, repair all the collateral damage, heal people, and that kind of thing.

Short term solution only. Superman can change the lives of people with his scientific expertise and end the war for good.

The only reason war exists is because people are not educated and have proper resources.

I don't shy away from saying that Surfer could transmute the hammer because of how tough it is, but because it's magic.

And then failed to reassemble it properly. And again, I'm not actually stating that he'd be unable to transmute Cap's shield, just that there's enough to suggest that he may not be able to.

So nothing but no limit fallacy?

He was unable to transmute Obliterator weapons when they were provided by another elder.

How's that for limitation?

And Doom failed to reassemble it properly. Not Owen.

There's no logical reason that it WOULDN'T be within the limits since it's never been stated that toughness is any issue in regards to what he can transmute.

Toughness is always the only reason to resist transmutation in comics.

Heck, Surfer was koed transmuting a simple wall of matter from Molecule Man.

And couldn't transform the Andes mountain after it was devastated by Beyonder.

There are limits to what he can do. Adamantium is beyond that limit.

Hey I got no problem admitting that I'm shaky on the details of the Age of Ultron arc, I just knew it was an alternate universe.

That's not Age of Ultron.

Pointing out that Wally obviously wasn't being handled right isn't just an excuse, it's totally accurate. Especially when you take into consideration that Kyle was able to spring into action at the exact same time.

😂

Oh the excuses. Guess what, none of what you say matters.

Quick, to the modmobile!

Yes it is, we don't actually see the swing there we only see him with his fist held strait out.

No, it's not. Keep trying.

What's so hard to understand about that? And according to you, one only wins a debate if he manages to convince his opponent so the simple fact that I believe it's ambiguous means that you've yet to win the exchange on this(or any other) tangent lol.

I've already won. This is just you trying to drag this by saying as many excuses as you can.

This is amusing.

Sure abhi, sure lol

Good.

What would be the point of such a search without some kind of concession from you in regards to it?

Who cares? Go for it if it matters to you.

Yeah, and I DO know. Such things are personal attacks.

No, they are not. You may think so if you like. Makes no difference to me.

Sure he is, that's why Pr ruled that he has super speed.

Slightly above human as I already proved. Far below the likes of Spider-Man.

Yes it is. You can see the line that's being cut on the ground.

No, it's not. The HV is coming into bursts.

The fact that he's on the ground is proof that there was action going on off panel because he wasn't on the ground when the board left. PLUS the attacks he took at the outset of the fight.

Or Thor just tackled him as shown.

That was before he stopped holding back and thus from another fight.

There was gap in between as you know.

So you know I'm not lying about it of course.

Who cares? Post Your own proofs.

As I said, the ruling was made years ago I don't have it on hand or know where to find it off the top of my head.

So you have nothing but your word?

Not good enough.

And anyway, now you're trying to shift the topic because you've been saying that it's in character for him to forfeit the fight so that's what he'll do.

That's not forfeiting the match as you're unable to post the ruling. It's just BFR at this point.

Because Pr talked you down lol

Not really.

Evidently more people's opinion matter to you than you let on or you wouldn't have gotten all huffy about Pr's comment in the first place 😉

Heh, how little you know chump. Keep trying though.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey I never said that I'm a saint, I just pointed out your gameplan. And it wouldn't have bothered you if my prediction wasn't spot on. After all, your's is the only opinion you care about right lol

And ran away. Like always.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Ahh the legendary foot in mouth technique... A staple in Abhi Lowball's debating style. You truly are the gift that keeps on giving.

superdur

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Ahh the legendary foot in mouth technique... A staple in Abhi Lowball's debating style. You truly are the gift that keeps on giving.

superdur

As always you're just a fool. Where did I used that bio to prove anything?

I just posted that marvel doesn't believe Surfer has superspeed. Unless you think marvel hasn't published that bio.

Originally posted by Facee
You know its utter desperation when someone breaks out a handbook. 😬

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Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

As always you're just a fool. Where did I used that bio to prove anything?

I just posted that marvel doesn't believe Surfer has superspeed. Unless you think marvel hasn't published that bio.

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

As always you're just a fool. Where did I used that bio to prove anything?

I just posted that marvel doesn't believe Surfer has superspeed. Unless you think marvel hasn't published that bio.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh do shut up wannabe cheerleader.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

Did you actually think I was using the bio as a proof?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Here there is no dictator to kill.

I didn't say there was a dictator to kill. I was pointed out that I'm pretty sure he ended a war there cause you said that dispite his efforts he NEVER managed to stop a war.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Short term solution only. Superman can change the lives of people with his scientific expertise and end the war for good.

The only reason war exists is because people are not educated and have proper resources.

So now you accept the theoretical nature of the question posed? Good for you. I doubt that Supes's scientific expertise would do the job for long on THIS Earth though. At least not relative to the type of help Surfer can provide with the power cosmic. That's not to say that Supes wouldn't be able to accomplish a lot of good, just that I think overall Surfer's going to be able to do a lot more.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So nothing but no limit fallacy?

He was unable to transmute Obliterator weapons when they were provided by another elder.

How's that for limitation?

And Doom failed to reassemble it properly. Not Owen.

Not a no limits fallacy. There are plenty of reasons to assume that he can't transmute certain things, it's just that durability isn't one of them because the effect happens on an atomic level.

Being specifically prepped against transmutation from Surfer's power cosmic is a valid explanation of it's resistance. Adamantium doesn't fall into this classification.

Really? I could have sworn it was because of Molecule Man's screw up rather than Doom's, but it's been ages since I read that arc so it's entirely possible you're right about that detail. Still, Molecule Man or Doom with the Beyonder's powers... either way it's at least something to suggest that the stuff of Cap's shield is particularly difficult to work with.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Toughness is always the only reason to resist transmutation in comics.

Heck, Surfer was koed transmuting a simple wall of matter from Molecule Man.

And couldn't transform the Andes mountain after it was devastated by Beyonder.

There are limits to what he can do. Adamantium is beyond that limit.

Again, based on what precedent? When has it ever been stated that toughness is the deciding factor in regards to transmutation on an atomic level?

Molecule Man's more powerful and a better matter manipulator, it makes sense that an attack he was pushing would overtax Surfer.

From what I remember it took the combined efforts of Molecule Man AND Surfer to pull that off in the end so apparently that feat require a LOT of power.

Again, what do you have to suggest that adamantium is beyond that limit?

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not Age of Ultron.

Very possible, still alternate universe and something other than adamantium though. And it's not like Surfer tried and failed to transmute it, he just fired off an energy blast with the rest of the heroes.

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

Oh the excuses. Guess what, none of what you say matters.

Quick, to the modmobile!

Hey if you want to point to view and instance of 2 humans having the same equal/superior reactions to someone who can react to a surprise attack from a bullet upon feeling it touch his skin as being legit... well then that's on you lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it's not. Keep trying.

Of course it is. But hey, go ahead and deny that all we actually see is his fist held strait out.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I've already won. This is just you trying to drag this by saying as many excuses as you can.

This is amusing.

Again, only in your own mind lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who cares? Go for it if it matters to you.

I'm sure you have so there's really no point. Hell I don't need to convince myself that you've claimed he doesn't have superspeed lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, they are not. You may think so if you like. MaIkes no difference to me.

Of course they are lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
Slightly above human as I already proved. Far below the likes of Spider-Man.

You've proven no such thing. And your fear of getting clarification shows that you KNOW you're wrong lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it's not. The HV is coming into bursts.

Yet again, the line being cut is clearly depicted on panel.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Or Thor just tackled him as shown.

That was before he stopped holding back and thus from another fight.

There was gap in between as you know.

We don't see Thor tackle him, we see them struggling from a standing position, the scene cuts away while the board flies off, and then we see Surfer on the ground with Thor over him. Who knows what the hell happened in that space of time

It's not from another fight, it's from a different round of the same fight lol.

Not enough to constitute a whole new fight.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who cares? Post Your own proofs.

So scared to seek clarification on this one too lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you have nothing but your word?

Not good enough.

That's why I said to ask a mod if you don't believe me.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not forfeiting the match as you're unable to post the ruling. It's just BFR at this point.

Sure it is. The fight takes place in an arena, if they voluntarily leave the battlefield, it's self BFR.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really.

Heh, how little you know chump. Keep trying though.

Yes really. I can post a link if you like.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, you chickened out because you knew that you couldn't beat me on your own.

And ran away. Like always.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey I was the one trying to get you to debate the topic, you were the one refusing to do so until I made a different opening post lol

Originally posted by darthgoober
I didn't say there was a dictator to kill. I was pointed out that I'm pretty sure he ended a war there cause you said that dispite his efforts he NEVER managed to stop a war.

And the war didn't ended.

So now you accept the theoretical nature of the question posed? Good for you. I doubt that Supes's scientific expertise would do the job for long on THIS Earth though.

And why not? This isn't theoretical BS you are spewing.

At least not relative to the type of help Surfer can provide with the power cosmic. That's not to say that Supes wouldn't be able to accomplish a lot of good, just that I think overall Surfer's going to be able to do a lot more.

What you think is irrelevant. Kindly explain how Superman's scientific expertise isn't going to matter here?

Superman just builds a miracle machine and poof, all problems are gone.

Not a no limits fallacy.

Of course it is no limit fallacy.

There are plenty of reasons to assume that he can't transmute certain things, it's just that durability isn't one of them because the effect happens on an atomic level.

So yes, no limit fallacy. If there is no magic or its not Cap's shield, Surfer can transmute everything, eh?

😂

What would be the limit of Surfer's transmutation then? What is the least toughest thing he can't transmute?

Being specifically prepped against transmutation from Surfer's power cosmic is a valid explanation of it's resistance. Adamantium doesn't fall into this classification.

And how did it resist his transmutation? Its made by atoms after all.

Of course it is. Surfer can't transmute something far less tough than adamantium. Using your own logic of Spider-Man, he can't transmute adamantium.

Really? I could have sworn it was because of Molecule Man's screw up rather than Doom's, but it's been ages since I read that arc so it's entirely possible you're right about that detail. Still, Molecule Man or Doom with the Beyonder's powers... either way it's at least something to suggest that the stuff of Cap's shield is particularly difficult to work with.

It was Doom. And it only happened because Doom was inexperienced. King Thor and Tony Stark have both repaired Cap's shield after it wad damaged or shattered.

Doesn't mean they are matter manipulators on Molecule Man's level.

Again, based on what precedent? When has it ever been stated that toughness is the deciding factor in regards to transmutation on an atomic level?

Since always? How else an inanimate object resist transmutation?

Molecule Man's more powerful and a better matter manipulator, it makes sense that an attack he was pushing would overtax Surfer.

A simple wall of matter?

It wasn't like Owen was personally pitting his power. He just raised a wall of matter.

From what I remember it took the combined efforts of Molecule Man AND Surfer to pull that off in the end so apparently that feat require a LOT of power.

Remaking Andes? Molecule Man was weakened and holding the earth together.

Surfer was unable to do that alone. Such a mighty transmutator.

Again, what do you have to suggest that adamantium is beyond that limit?

Simple, adamantium is tougher than that wall of matter which exhausted Surfer.

Very possible, still alternate universe and something other than adamantium though. And it's not like Surfer tried and failed to transmute it, he just fired off an energy blast with the rest of the heroes.

If Ultron was just that pansy, Surfer could have just transmuted it? Pity, it didn't come to the writer's mind how omnipotent Surfer actually is.

Hey if you want to point to view and instance of 2 humans having the same equal/superior reactions to someone who can react to a surprise attack from a bullet upon feeling it touch his skin as being legit... well then that's on you lol

Still not able to find any single response but your BS how the feat doesn't matter. Yup, you are beaten already.

Of course it is. But hey, go ahead and deny that all we actually see is his fist held strait out.

Of course it is not. He is moving his fist to punch Hal. If his fist was just held straight, Hal would be dragged with it, not moved aside with the punch.

Again, only in your own mind lol

And in comics.

I'm sure you have so there's really no point. Hell I don't need to convince myself that you've claimed he doesn't have superspeed lol.

Speak English.

And he has slightly above human level speed. As already proven.

Of course they are lol

Of course they are not.

But go ahead posting "lol" in every sentence. It only proves you are desperate for last word.

You've proven no such thing. And your fear of getting clarification shows that you KNOW you're wrong lol

Of course I've done it. Post some more lols though. That will prove me wrong.

Yet again, the line being cut is clearly depicted on panel.

No, it is not.

We don't see Thor tackle him, we see them struggling from a standing position, the scene cuts away while the board flies off, and then we see Surfer on the ground with Thor over him. Who knows what the hell happened in that space of time

Yes, Thor tackled Surfer and was about to hit him with Mjolnir.

It's not from another fight, it's from a different round of the same fight lol.

Not really, Surfer was already beaten in first fight. That was second fight.

Not enough to constitute a whole new fight.

Of course it does. Just like Surfer fought Thor again in Warlock 23 just a few moments later and it was a new fight.

So scared to seek clarification on this one too lol

Haha, oh the idiocy. Should I call Bada to clarify this?

That's why I said to ask a mod if you don't believe me.

Why would I? You claimed this, now prove it. I'm not going to do your job for you.

Sure it is. The fight takes place in an arena, if they voluntarily leave the battlefield, it's self BFR.

Not if both participants leave the field simultaneously.

Yes really. I can post a link if you like.

Yeah, go ahead. I want a good laugh out of this.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey I was the one trying to get you to debate the topic, you were the one refusing to do so until I made a different opening post lol

How Trump like of you.