Exar Kun vs. Darth Vader/Darth Krayt

Originally posted by AncientPower
This is disgusting, team 2 wins in a very hard fight, and the idea that Krayt is even on Kun's level, let alone coming close to beating him, is just cancer.

Even if you argue Prime Krayt > Muur, there's no way that gap is anywhere near large enough to eclipse the fact that: Exar Kun >> Freedon Nadd > Marka Ragnos > Tulak Hord > Ajunta Pall > Karness Muur

Ajunta Pall is not confirmed to be greater then Muur.

Neither is Tulak Hord.

Ragnos MAY be though the quotes are ambiguous and can be seen as of his time or ever though he has no "of all time" or "up to his time" quote.

Freedon Nadd is not confirmed to be above Ragnos.

Your scaling is flawed.

Originally posted by AncientPower
This is disgusting, team 2 wins in a very hard fight, and the idea that Krayt is even on Kun's level, let alone coming close to beating him, is just cancer.

Wait, you're serious...

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Ajunta Pall is not confirmed to be greater then Muur.

Neither is Tulak Hord.

Ragnos MAY be though the quotes are ambiguous and can be seen as of his time or ever though he has no "of all time" or "up to his time" quote.

Freedon Nadd is not confirmed to be above Ragnos.

Your scaling is flawed.

Karness Muur was one of Ajunta Pall's Shadow Hands:

"Ajunta Pall beheaded their ruler, Hakagram Graush, and claimed the throne as the blood heir to the ancestral King Adas -- and we became his Shadow Hands."
- Sorzus Syn, Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side

Tulak Hord is stated to be amongst the greatest Dark Lords of the Sith ever, which would include the aforementioned Ajunta Pall, whom as stated previously, was Muur's master and confirmed superior:

Centuries ago, Khem Val was the proud servant of Tulak Hord, one of the greatest Dark Lords of the Sith to ever live.
- Star Wars: The Old Republic Official Website

Marka Ragnos is confirmed to be the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith up until his time:

Meanwhile, on the far side of the galaxy, the Sith Empire has grown powerful through centuries of dark Force wielding and magic and the hundred-year rule of the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith, MARKA RAGNOS.
- Chronicles of the Old Republic

Freedon Nadd is stated to become the greatest Sith sorceror who ever existed:

He only needed time to become the greatest Sith sorcerer that had ever existed . . . .
- Tales of the Jedi Companion

Which obviously includes Marka Ragnos. Whilst it is not a direct statement of superior power, sorcery is considered in-universe to be the greatest source of power. It is fairly cut and dry.

Exar Kun became even more powerful than Nadd, before he was in his prime.

Tulak Hord being one of the greatest evah hardly places him in the same league as Ajunta Pall, lmao. Hord has nothing to his name that suggests he'd beat even Remulus, let alone Muur, and let alone Pall.

The Marka and Nadd accolades have already been debunked. Exar Kun sucks at life; Krayt solos, Kun dies, AP cries.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Karness Muur was one of Ajunta Pall's Shadow Hands:

Tulak Hord is stated to be amongst the greatest Dark Lords of the Sith ever, which would include the aforementioned Ajunta Pall, whom as stated previously, was Muur's master and confirmed superior:

Marka Ragnos is confirmed to be the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith up until his time:

Freedon Nadd is stated to become the greatest Sith sorceror who ever existed:

Which obviously includes Marka Ragnos. Whilst it is not a direct statement of superior power, sorcery is considered in-universe to be the greatest source of power. It is fairly cut and dry.

Exar Kun became even more powerful than Nadd, before he was in his prime.

I'm aware. That's doesn't mean the gap between them remained the same in the ensuing years and in fact the opposite is suggested given Pall couldn't retain leadership over the other Exiles.

That doesn't place him above Muur or Pall. Koon was one of the most powerful Jedi ever and most named characters are within the 99th percentile.

It doesn't say to ever live. It says the greatest dark lord of the Sith. He was the greatest dark lord of the Sith in his time.

And? Zannah was a better Sith Sorcerer then Bane as of Rule of Two. He could still snap her neck with no resistance.

Again, Hord has nothing placing him above any of the other Ancient Sith in terms of power. Nothing. Nil. Zero. Zilch.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Again, Hord has nothing placing him above any of the other Ancient Sith in terms of power. Nothing. Nil. Zero. Zilch.

👆 Absolutno ništa.

Originally posted by AncientPower
This is disgusting, team 2 wins in a very hard fight, and the idea that Krayt is even on Kun's level, let alone coming close to beating him, is just cancer.

Even if you argue Prime Krayt > Muur, there's no way that gap is anywhere near large enough to eclipse the fact that: Exar Kun >> Freedon Nadd > Marka Ragnos > Tulak Hord > Ajunta Pall > Karness Muur

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Tbh, Kun could be argued beating this team with his "darkest power in the galaxy" accolade.

At a time where only so little planets were DS nexuses and none of them were that overwhelming, and "darkest" can mean so many things... no.

Originally posted by MythLord
At a time where only so little planets were DS nexuses and none of them were that overwhelming, and "darkest" can mean so many things... no.

What would you interpret it as, if not power?

Darkest power =/= greatest power, tbh.
Anyways, it's not like the accolade isn't generic as is. Put Krayt or Vader, or even Bane, in the same situation and they'd be "the darkest power" if they replaced Exar Kun.

Originally posted by AncientPower
This is disgusting, team 2 wins in a very hard fight, and the idea that Krayt is even on Kun's level, let alone coming close to beating him, is just cancer.

Even if you argue Prime Krayt > Muur, there's no way that gap is anywhere near large enough to eclipse the fact that: Exar Kun >> Freedon Nadd > Marka Ragnos > Tulak Hord > Ajunta Pall > Karness Muur

Hell, Syn has Muur as the second-strongest.

Originally posted by Azronger
Tbh, Kun could be argued beating this team with his "darkest power in the galaxy" accolade.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Why exactly?

The galaxy at that time included nexus-amped Vitiate, who one-shot Revan. I could see the same happening to Krayt if he were in that situation.

Originally posted by MythLord
Darkest power =/= greatest power, tbh.
Anyways, it's not like the accolade isn't generic as is. Put Krayt or Vader, or even Bane, in the same situation and they'd be "the darkest power" if they replaced Exar Kun.

Well, duh, since "greatest power" can also be a lightsider, whereas "darkest power" cannot.

But I take it you think it means something different than strength in the Force, since I doubt you think Bane, Vader or Krayt are more powerful than nexus-amped Vitiate.

Originally posted by Azronger
The galaxy at that time included nexus-amped Vitiate, who one-shot Revan. I could see the same happening to Krayt if he were in that situation.