Darth Sidious & Luke Skywalker vs Exar Kun & Ulic Qel-Droma

Started by UCanShootMyNova8 pages

Originally posted by SunRazer
You already know how I view this stuff, lol. Non-canon means it doesn't happen in the official timeline. But it's valid because the character's power levels haven't been altered. We're not here to discuss what did happen, but rather, what can happen, with regard to the character's power levels.

If you watch it in slow-motion, you'll notice that Palpatine deactivates the lightsaber, then throws away the lightsaber, then hurls Galen. The last two were possibly done in simultaneity, but my case isn't altered. Sidious deactivating his lightsaber means that Galen's application of pressure would make him continue to move forwards, but Sidious hurled him back before that could happen.

Don't you obsess over physics? If so, this is really just inertia. Palpatine deactivating his lightsaber means that there's no longer a force balancing out the pushing force Galen's putting on his lightsaber, so it should move forwards. And since they were so close, Palpatine should've been cleaved in half, but he managed to push Galen back before that.

Watch it at 0.25x speed. Sidious deactivates his lightsaber, and before Galen or his lightsaber can even move forwards, Sidious is hurling him back.

What animation error?

My case would suggest that Galen isn't actively shielding himself, which is fine since Sidious isn't even hurling with the intent to kill, just to leave him on the floor for a while. Which is precisely what happens. Galen only gets up and starts running after the ship starts coming towards him, by which time it's too late.

The use of the word "unlikely" seems to suggest that you're admitting my case is a possibility at the least.

In any case, Galen wouldn't have been able to put up an active defense. Which doesn't harm my point. Sidious was only attacking to floor Galen, and he succeeded. Nowhere did I mention telekinetic domination. That only appears in another DS version.

That's directly disproved by stuff like the RotS videogame having Anakin cut down Sidious before he can react.

The lightsaber visibly deactivates in the animation ( Hint: This is the reference to the animation error ) and takes longer to do so then Sidious's movement. The last two movements were done simultaneously, yes. It would unbalance him and any forward movement wouldn't have been some augmented strike but simply gravity causing him to fall forward due to the pressure he had been previous applying.

Given the blade was still activated as Sidious releases a Force push it becomes irrelevant. It's obvious that Sidious's actions here were simultaneous. There would have been no time for Galen to have fallen or moved forward whether he knew what was about to happen or as you suggested, did not.

Yes, I've watched it. The very moment the lightsaber blades no longer touch each other is when Sidious moves. The movement and full deactivation of the blade are simultaneous.

Read above.

Fair enough. Now you just have to prove that what occurred in the scene you're referencing counts as blitzing. A far more herculean task...

I mean. Given the outcome is meaningless since it's a non canon scene and I'm generally open to ANY case when enough evidence is presented, I guess you could say that.

You've got quite your pick of the crop what with you taking DS endings as evidence and their being 3 different darkside endings for you to pick and choose from.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
it was an animation error!!111!

The fact that the deactivation of Sidious's lightsaber wasn't instantaneous as lightsabers have been shown to be in numerous other depictions? Beni, I know you live off of getting a rise from me but could you at least keep your trolling relevant? Thanks.

Using non-canon material as evidence...

facepalm

👆 😂

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
That's directly disproved by stuff like the RotS videogame having Anakin cut down Sidious before he can react.

This directly disproves the legitimacy of DS endings how...? Sounds to me like the only contradiction is with your own personal narrative, friend. 🙂

Originally posted by NewGuy01
This directly disproves the legitimacy of DS endings how...? Sounds to me like the only contradiction is with your own personal narrative, friend. 🙂
🙂

Originally posted by NewGuy01
This directly disproves the legitimacy of DS endings how...? Sounds to me like the only contradiction is with your own personal narrative, friend. 🙂

Forgot how much this forum rides Anakin's cock.

Alright then, how about the Hero of Tython ragdolling Vitiate?

He was already beaten though, it's not hard to ragdoll a defeated opponent.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
He was already beaten though, it's not hard to ragdoll a defeated opponent.

Even after he's defeated in the lightside version he's still capable of collapsing temples.

There's also stuff like Jaden Korr defeating Kyle in lightsaber combat.

Per Nova's shitty logic---Talzin is now < Plo.

Congrats, dude.

Is that to Shooting Nova or me?

The one saying non-canon sources can be used, because the power levels are [logically] the same.

By that logic, Vs articles and Head-To-Head results should also be valid, since, authorially, the characters being used are supposed to mirror canon ones.

Thus, congrats. Maris Brood shits on Ventress, and Plo is > Talzin. 👆

Team 1 with moderate difficulty.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
The one saying non-canon sources can be used, because the power levels ae the same.

By that logic, [b]Vs articles and Head-To-Head results should also be used,m since authorially, the characters being used are supposed to mirror canon ones.

Thus, congrats. Marris Brood shits on Ventress, and Plo is > Talzin. 👆 [/B]

Noice. 🙂

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Thus, congrats. Maris Brood shits on Ventress, and Plo is > Talzin. 👆

Where were these stated?

Originally posted by Azronger
Where were these stated?

One [Maris V Ventress] of the Star Wars Insiders magazines Vs Series articles, and the other [Plo V Talzin] is from Star Wars Head-To-Head Clone Wars edition.

Some of those VS matchups are more likely than those dumb Head to Head ones though when you look at everything about the characters. Not saying all, but some do make more sense than others.

I can agree with that, yeah. Dooku > Maul isn't bad at all. Or Boba > Cad Bane.

Luke > Galen Marek is alright, though I don't see how Skywalker could counter Galen Force advantage.

Head-to-head isn't the same as the endings of a game, lol. Whoever developed the game wrote both endings, so unless you think they suddenly developed a bout of amnesia and wrote the characters and their power levels differently, then it stands. Which is why Syn is finding it so hard to find an example of a DS ending that doesn't work, lol.

Magazine versus editions aren't written by the original authors, and they certainly aren't written inside the original source material. That's the difference. DS endings still come from the source material.

Originally posted by SunRazer
[i]Which is why Syn is finding it so hard to find an example of a DS ending that doesn't work, lol.

I've provided 3 that you haven't deigned to respond to.