Originally posted by Inhuman
TBH I'm convinced that he hasn't even seen these films and just has casually skimmed through a few YouTube clips
And didn't even skim them in their entirety. Because, even with the cartoony durability feats I mentioned for Black Widow, she also still needed to use a grappling line to get off the bridge to the ground, without injuring herself, in the highway scene from TWS. The same bridge Winter Soldier simply jumped off (which is consistent with the chase scene from CA:CW, where he, Cap and BP were jumping from multi-storey heights without skipping a beat).
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
How is this 12 pages, Bucky dug into the asphalt with his finger tips in WS,... Bane isn't even the toughest person in his very human world.Bucky literally tears out Bane's throat, and beds Talia so hard she forgets about Baleman and her revenge.
I'm just waiting for TethAdam's next mismatch. Maybe MCU Luke Cage vs Nolan Bane, or something along those lines. 😆
Originally posted by Inhuman
Winter Soldier running faster than cars with his human legs amongst other super human feats for WS's non robotic limbs.
WS is far above Batman in stats.
What speed feats does Bane have? All his fights he seemed slow and methodical. An over the hill Batman was able to tag and hurt him just fine.
Again speculation and imaginary feats and stats that you think Bane should have based on implied information is not valid.
And you say WS is not far ahead of Batman lol. Jesus. Next you are going to tell me Bane is stronger than WS's non robotic limbs. You'll be wrong of coarse but I'll wait for you to claim that.
WS is faster than Bane by screen feats. WS has blocked and jumped out the way of gunfire. And has fought with way more skill and speed than Bane.
Like Vault said , the Russo's themselves said that WS is enhanced and super human.
I'm 100% sure now you haven't seen most of the movies about he characters you argue against your favorites. If you haven't seen the movies on the characters you're arguing against don't reply in these threads. 😬
I say the cars were moving slowly. There were times the cars were moving slowly and also the cars were very close together.
Bane got hit on purpose. When he chose to dodge he did so with quickness and ease. You can't go by acting speed. Batman is supposed to be a master fighter who is able to take out multiple people simultaneously. He's not slow at all but very quick. Bane is a master fighter from the league of shadows himself. He's not slow either. Please use the suspension of disbelief and stop going by actor's speed.
Aim blocking or aim dodging is not fighting speed. The Russo's said he was enhanced. But in what way? The metal arm makes him enhanced. Even if his entire being is enhanced then it only proves he has greater stats than Batman. But not far greater. Having 1 % greater stats than a human makes you enchanced. Going by on screen feats then he is slightly more enhanced than a normal human on average. Humans can evade his strikes and take his blows without being koed.
I'm not saying Bane would no sell WS like he did Batman. But that he can take quite a few hits from WS before going down.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
How is this 12 pages, Bucky dug into the asphalt with his finger tips in WS,... Bane isn't even the toughest person in his very human world.Bucky literally tears out Bane's throat, and beds Talia so hard she forgets about Baleman and her revenge.
Everyone agrees that WS from page one. We are discussing a totally different issue.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
And didn't even skim them in their entirety. Because, even with the cartoony durability feats I mentioned for Black Widow, she also still needed to use a grappling line to get off the bridge to the ground, without injuring herself, in the highway scene from TWS. The same bridge Winter Soldier simply jumped off (which is consistent with the chase scene from CA:CW, where he, Cap and BP were jumping from multi-storey heights without skipping a beat).
What does her durability feat has to do with anything in this thread? Any character in the movie would have a durability feat above human. She still can be koed by a normal human.
Originally posted by h1a8
I say the cars were moving slowly. There were times the cars were moving slowly and also the cars were very close together.Bane got hit on purpose. When he chose to dodge he did so with quickness and ease. You can't go by acting speed. Batman is supposed to be a master fighter who is able to take out multiple people simultaneously. He's not slow at all but very quick. Bane is a master fighter from the league of shadows himself. He's not slow either. Please use the suspension of disbelief and stop going by actor's speed.
Aim blocking or aim dodging is not fighting speed. The Russo's said he was enhanced. But in what way? The metal arm makes him enhanced. Even if his entire being is enhanced then it only proves he has greater stats than Batman. But not far greater. Having 1 % greater stats than a human makes you enchanced. Going by on screen feats then he is slightly more enhanced than a normal human on average. Humans can evade his strikes and take his blows without being koed.
I'm not saying Bane would no sell WS like he did Batman. But that he can take quite a few hits from WS before going down.
Prove the cars were moving slowly, BTW, by prove I mean use actual evidence and not just your opinion or speculation.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
The fact that you say that proves you haven't. Before he kicks the one SHIELD pilot into the one quinjet, he KO's the other one with one punch from his human arm. And you said "at best", so you can drop your outlier nonsense.LOL... So virtually featless LoS = "Beyond real world fighters".
Top members of SHIELD (which has tons of portrayals indicating the level of its agents, including showings of SHIELD agents holding their own against enhanced individuals) = "equal to professional fighters at best".
And, again, post all these showings you are using to claim Batman is "near peak human, on average". You have still yet to post more than the one backhand. Seriously, until you start posting proof equal to the proof you demand from others, no one is obligated to do shit with regards to your requests.
Show me the ko because I don't see a ko. I even seen Bucky use a brick to ko a human instead of his human arm. He's not that damn enhanced.
Anyone with training can hold their own against enhanced beings if they can. If That's how fiction works. They are regular humans with human level speed and reflexes. If they can land hits on WS and dodge his attacks then so can a master fighter from the league of shadows.
Originally posted by FrothByteHe elbowed the shit out of him in the face.
WS hit Tony with a straight punch to the body which floored Tony. And WS didn't even put his weight into it. So I don't know what you're talking about. He hits Bane in the face with a punch that strong and Bane isn't going to survive more than a couple.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerin the comic vs forum, writers interviews are not allowed. Just wondering if that same rule applies here too. I asked, not demanded. Big difference.
This is the kicker. He is already trying to dismiss director's comments as not counting, before even hearing them, but he wants his personal opinion on what being a "Master" of the League of Shadows entails to be used as evidence in the debate. With that, he is basically implying that his opinions are more valid than statements from the people who made the films.Edit: But hey, he is free to PM a mod and ask them which holds more weight. Director's comments, or a poster's opinion. Though, given his antics in this thread, he would likely try and twist the question to get the answer he wants.
Anyway I argued assuming he is enhanced. Deal with that argument.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Haha, 😆Salty that you didn't understand the thread and got cornered and humiliated?
Now doing your usual bury-the-post tactic bu baiting ppl with your usual dumb logic.
Nah. I'll just keep bumping the fact that you've conceded that this is a spite thread that'll last no more than a few seconds.
I'm not salty. I still don't understand. I swore I seen h2h. I don't really care about that type of stuff. I love being wrong. I'm right too much anyway.
I'm not baiting anyone. I dropped the debate when I saw it wasn't h2h. But then someone quoted me and start debating about the h2h discussion. So I participated. Keep up.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Prove the cars were moving slowly, BTW, by prove I mean use actual evidence and not just your opinion or speculation.
I proved it a long time ago in the WS Ozy thread. I used timestamps to prove it as wells as the distance between the cars. In some scenes the cars were barely moving at all.
Originally posted by h1a8
What does her durability feat has to do with anything in this thread? Any character in the movie would have a durability feat above human. She still can be koed by a normal human.
*facepalm* Someone who has cartoony durability showings, which are well beyond what is considered normal for RL humans, is still visibly below Winter Soldier, by direct comparison in the same scene.
Originally posted by h1a8
Show me the ko because I don't see a ko. I even seen Bucky use a brick to ko a human instead of his human arm. He's not that damn enhanced.
Then you are intentionally being blind, because it is clear as day in the scene in question. Around the 8:27 mark, he punches the guy with his human arm, and we see him start to drop in the background, before WS kicks the other guy into the quinjet.
Now, again, provide the multiple scenes (which you have STILL yet to), where you base your Baleman being peak human claims from. Do so, or I will start reporting you to the mods for avoiding the burden of proof.
Originally posted by h1a8
Anyone with training can hold their own against enhanced beings if they can. If That's how fiction works. They are regular humans with human level speed and reflexes. If they can land hits on WS and dodge his attacks then so can a master fighter from the league of shadows.
They manage to hold out for a few seconds each against Winter Soldier, before getting put down. And these guys are portrayed as the elite humans of their universe.
Originally posted by h1a8
The Russo's said he was enhanced. But in what way? The metal arm makes him enhanced. Even if his entire being is enhanced then it only proves he has greater stats than Batman. But not far greater. Having 1 % greater stats than a human makes you enchanced. Going by on screen feats then he is slightly more enhanced than a normal human on average. Humans can evade his strikes and take his blows without being koed.
They literally use the words "super-soldier". They describe him and Cap as "doppelgangers". Use words like "equally potent" etc. Seriously, you are trying ridiculously hard to lowball here. And, in the Civil War directors commentary (which I have also listened to, and have a link to, if you don't believe me), they again describe him as a "super-soldier".
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerAgain I don't see a ko. WS hits him but we don't know what happened after that.
*facepalm* Someone who has cartoony durability showings, which are well beyond what is considered normal for RL humans, is still visibly below Winter Soldier, by direct comparison in the same scene.Then you are intentionally being blind, because it is clear as day in the scene in question. Around the 8:27 mark, he punches the guy with his human arm, and we see him start to drop in the background, before WS kicks the other guy into the quinjet.
Now, again, provide the multiple scenes (which you have STILL yet to), where you base your Baleman being peak human claims from. Do so, or I will start reporting you to the mods for avoiding the burden of proof.
They manage to hold out for a [B]few seconds each
against Winter Soldier, before getting put down. And these guys are portrayed as the elite humans of their universe.They literally use the words "super-soldier". They describe him and Cap as "doppelgangers". Use words like "equally potent" etc. Seriously, you are trying ridiculously hard to lowball here. And, in the Civil War directors commentary (which I have also listened to, and have a link to, if you don't believe me), they again describe him as a "super-soldier". [/B]
I go by on screen feats. Cap is stronger than WS outside the metal arm. WS could do none of Cap feats without the metal arm.
They are still regular humans though. If WS is so far above peak human then it would show against them. But it didn't. Thus WS isn't much greater than peak human. I gave the scene of Batman koing a human with a simple casual back fist flick. You want more?
Originally posted by h1a8
Again I don't see a ko. WS hits him but we don't know what happened after that.
Wow, you are trying really hard. If you pause it after the punch, you can literally see that his shoulder line ends up around WS's waist height by the time they cut to the kick. Even with the camera angle, it shows that the guy was going down from one punch to the face.
Originally posted by h1a8
I go by on screen feats. Cap is stronger than WS outside the metal arm. WS could do none of Cap feats without the metal arm.
Except those instances where the two physically grapple and match each other, until Winter Soldier's arm gives him the upper hand.
And LMAO at "going by screen feats". That's rich. Really. When earlier you were claiming that Batman and Bane were moving faster than actually shown onscreen, because they were LoS (thus implied speed, not actual screen feats), and tried to use "suspension of disbelief" as your so-called proof.
Originally posted by h1a8
They are still regular humans though. If WS is so far above peak human then it would show against them. But it didn't. Thus WS isn't much greater than peak human. I gave the scene of Batman koing a human with a simple casual back fist flick. You want more?
Except it did. He took the few hits they managed to land like nothing, before putting them down. Highly skilled humans landing 1 or 2 hits before getting dropped is not evidence for your cause. Again, Baleman has had problems with people like Joker. And I have repeatedly asked you for more. As have several others.
Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not salty. I still don't understand. I swore I seen h2h. I don't really care about that type of stuff. I love being wrong. I'm right too much anyway.I'm not baiting anyone. I dropped the debate when I saw it wasn't h2h. But then someone quoted me and start debating about the h2h discussion. So I participated. Keep up.
Lol. "Right too much". More BS to bait and distract from the fact you got humiliated as you always do. So much salt.
I will continue to bump your concession, however, so you don't try to bury it like you always do.