Bane Vs The Winter Soldier

Originally posted by Silent Master
isn't it funny how h1 went to such lengths to lowball WS's shown speed when his stance on Bane and Miyagi is that we should ignore shown speed and rely solely on implied speed?

I didn't lowball him. The only way we can prove fighting speed is through how well a character does against humans or objects of known velocity.
If WS has any showings that contradict him being as fast as humans then please state them. Till then, it isn't a lowball.

Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't lowball him. The only way we can prove fighting speed is through how well a character does against humans or objects of known velocity.
If WS has any showings that contradict him being as fast as humans then please state them. Till then, it isn't a lowball.

Yes, you were. BTW are you going to accept Nib's BZ?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes, you were. BTW are you going to accept Nib's BZ?

Notice how he pretends BZ challenges aren't even there?

So you are to prove that it was writer's intentions that the cars were moving fast despite
1. The cars were shown not to be
And
2. In heavy traffic, cars actually move slowly and close to each other.
And
3. They couldn't outrun the later cars and the police cars?

This is a yes or no question.

Originally posted by h1a8
So you are to prove that it was writer's intentions that the cars were moving fast despite
1. The cars were shown not to be
And
2. In heavy traffic, cars actually move slowly and close to each other.
And
3. They couldn't outrun the later cars and the police cars?

This is a yes or no question.

No, we are to prove that WS' running speed can be proven superhuman. That is the bz challenge I posted.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
No, we are to prove that WS' running speed can be proven superhuman. That is the bz challenge I posted.

So no.
Good.
I know WS can run faster than any RL human. I never stated otherwise. I don't accept that he can outrun very fast cars.

Originally posted by h1a8
So no.
Good.
I know WS can run faster than any RL human. I never stated otherwise. I don't accept that he can outrun very fast cars.

So you admit he is easily superhuman?

Originally posted by h1a8
So no.
Good.
I know WS can run faster than any RL human. I never stated otherwise. I don't accept that he can outrun very fast cars.

So you believe we should go by shown speed rather than implied speed?

Originally posted by h1a8
So no.
Good.
I know WS can run faster than any RL human. I never stated otherwise. I don't accept that he can outrun very fast cars.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Didn't he already do that in CW?

Read my last few posts and pages and you will see that he didn't.

Originally posted by h1a8
Read my last few posts and pages and you will see that he didn't.

So you admit that you're using shown speed to determine how fast WS is?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you believe we should go by shown speed rather than implied speed?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
So you admit he is easily superhuman?

Easily?
That's not the right word.
I would say barely at best. And peak on average.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you admit that you're using shown speed to determine how fast WS is?

Originally posted by h1a8
Implied speed.

Then why are you using shown speed for WS?

Originally posted by h1a8
There is no implied speed in that scene. Thus we must go on shown speed.

That isn't true at all, the implied speed is that WS can run faster than cars.

Originally posted by h1a8
Implied speed.

Implied speed means WS is fast enough to backflip out of the way of gunfire. Fast enough to outrun cars on a freeway. Fast to push a guy off a motorcycle, flip it in the air, and ride the mororcycle all in one motion. Fast enough to trade hits with Cap who has enhanced speed. Fast enough to catch Cap's shield without looking.

Bane has zero speed and reaction feats to compare against these.

Originally posted by h1a8

Easily?
That's not the right word.
I would say barely at best. And peak on average.

Nope. Easily superhuman at best. Superhuman at least on average.

Care to BZ me on "if WS is superhuman or peak human on average" and see whose definition of "superhuman" and "peak human" the judges will agree with?

Loser quits KMC 6 months.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Nope. Easily superhuman at best. Superhuman at least on average.

Care to BZ me on "if WS is superhuman or peak human on average" and see whose definition of "superhuman" and "peak human" the judges will agree with?

Loser quits KMC 6 months.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Then why are you using shown speed for WS?

That isn't true at all, the implied speed is that WS can run faster than cars.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Implied speed means WS is fast enough to backflip out of the way of gunfire. Fast enough to outrun cars on a freeway. Fast to push a guy off a motorcycle, flip it in the air, and ride the mororcycle all in one motion. Fast enough to trade hits with Cap who has enhanced speed. Fast enough to catch Cap's shield without looking.

Bane has zero speed and reaction feats to compare against these.

"Anyone"? Really, dude? You are completely full of shit. "Anyone" can't do what he did here, at 2:37:

YouTube video

I didn't even bother to read the rest of your post, after that statement.