Bane Vs The Winter Soldier

Originally posted by h1a8
You know that I didn't mean that literally. I meant any human that can do the same flip. Once in the air, you are subject to falling at the speed gravity accelerates you to. But how is this relevant? It's not like WS is going to do doing flips in a h2h fight.

All I see is you trying to make a poor excuse to cover up another lowballing attempt. It is relevant because it shows how hard you are trying to downplay any feat related to Bucky.

Originally posted by h1a8

Now if you are relating his flip to his h2h fighting speed then I say that you are a hypocrite. This is because you argued against Ozy bullet catch as related to his fighting speed.

By all means, please quote the posts where I argued this. In fact, in the last thread where I was asked about this by Frothbyte (the Ancient One Gauntlet thread I made), I specifically said that I would not rule out him being able catch a bullet in combat, even though he did not perform the feat under those conditions, while onscreen.

Originally posted by h1a8
At 1:12 WS lands. You see the white car about 15 feet in front of him easily dodge him. You also see the black car about 10 feet feet behind the green car.

4 seconds later at 1:16 BP lands and WS is about 40 feet away. You can easily calculate his acceleration here.

At 1:20 you see them run ahead of a white car. If you look closely then you will see the white car moving like 10-15mph.

At 1:35 you see one car about 10 feet behind another car.
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Originally posted by h1a8
Aim dodging that anyone can do. Outrun in 10-15mph cars. Push a guy off a motorcycle isn't a speed feat. Regular humans can trade hits with Cap. His enhanced speed isn't all that enhanced.

Quantify your figures. Otherwise you are full of shit.

What are you sayin is Bucky's speed/acceleragtion?

Provide equation (with reference points) for your 10-15 mph freeway speed.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
All I see is you trying to make a poor excuse to cover up another lowballing attempt. It is relevant because it shows how hard you are trying to downplay any feat related to Bucky.

By all means, please quote the posts where I argued this. In fact, in the last thread where I was asked about this by Frothbyte (the Ancient One Gauntlet thread I made), I specifically said that I would not rule out him being able catch a bullet in combat, even though he did not perform the feat under those conditions, while onscreen.

The feat was a good feat. Good reactions, good agility, etc. I just don't see how it would relate to a h2h fight. What attributes needed to do the feat can be useful for h2h combat?

I'm not talking about Ozy catching a bullet in a real fight. I'm referring to him using the speed and reflexes shown in catching the bullet (or a fraction of them) and applying them to a h2h fight. That was my argument.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Quantify your figures. Otherwise you are full of shit.

What are you sayin is Bucky's speed/acceleragtion?

Provide equation (with reference points) for your 10-15 mph freeway speed.

Also Clearly at times the cars were very close to each other (like around 10ft).

Originally posted by h1a8
The speed estimate comes from the distance the cars moved in relation to the ground or a column. The speed estimate also comes from WS landing about 10-15ft from a white car and the car easily being able to react and swerve out of his way.

Also Clearly at times the cars were very close to each other (like around 10ft).

IOW, you're using visual speed. which you've repeatedly said we should ignore when it comes to Bane, Baleman or Miyagi.

Originally posted by h1a8
The feat was a good feat. Good reactions, good agility, etc. I just don't see how it would relate to a h2h fight. What attributes needed to do the feat can be useful for h2h combat?

The agility and the reactions part. Or don't you think being extremely agile and having sharp reactions factors into fighting? Do you think Daredevil's fighting style would work as well for him if he had slower reflexes and was less agile? Or Spiderman's? Or, hell, any combatant for that matter. Sharp reflexes would aid you in reacting to an opponent's attack. Higher agility would give you a better chance of capitalising on your reactions, and take better avoiding action.

Originally posted by h1a8

I'm not talking about Ozy catching a bullet in a real fight. I'm referring to him using the speed and reflexes shown in catching the bullet (or a fraction of them) and applying them to a h2h fight. That was my argument.

Again, I never argued against that. If you insist I did, quote the posts. Even as far back as a really old pre-Age of Ultron/Civil War thread between Cap and Ozy (we're talking like 2+ years ago), I pointed out that the bullet catch showcases enhanced speed/reflexes. And having enhanced speed and reflexes would aid you in many activities that factor those things in, including combat.

Originally posted by h1a8
The speed estimate comes from the distance the cars moved in relation to the ground or a column. The speed estimate also comes from WS landing about 10-15ft from a white car and the car easily being able to react and swerve out of his way.

Also Clearly at times the cars were very close to each other (like around 10ft).

If you have a computation in relation to the columns, provide it.

If you made it based on your opinion on how well a car can swerve, then provide proof that WS landed 10-15 ft (with reference points) and post proof how a car's ability to swerve determines its speed.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
If you have a computation in relation to the columns, provide it.

If you made it based on your opinion on how well a car can swerve, then provide proof that WS landed 10-15 ft (with reference points) and post proof how a car's ability to swerve determines its speed.

I'll let you decide how far ahead of the white car WS landed. Give me a range of possible distances. To my eye it looked like about 2 cars distance.

A car going 15mph could travel 15ft in .68 seconds. It takes a few tenths of a second for a human to react. And it actually took a few tenths for the actor to react. It took more than a second for the car to reach WS line.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
The agility and the reactions part. Or don't you think being extremely agile and having sharp reactions factors into fighting? Do you think Daredevil's fighting style would work as well for him if he had slower reflexes and was less agile? Or Spiderman's? Or, hell, any combatant for that matter. Sharp reflexes would aid you in reacting to an opponent's attack. Higher agility would give you a better chance of capitalising on your reactions, and take better avoiding action.

Again, I never argued against that. If you insist I did, quote the posts. Even as far back as a really old pre-Age of Ultron/Civil War thread between Cap and Ozy (we're talking like 2+ years ago), I pointed out that the bullet catch showcases enhanced speed/reflexes. And having enhanced speed and reflexes would aid you in many activities that factor those things in, including combat.

Reactions definitely aids A LOT in combat. Gymnastic like Agility does too but only a little. So I'll take it as a good reaction feat from WS. That's why it's a good feat by him.

Well I could be mistaking you for another poster. Even so then why you didn't come to my aid when so many were arguing against me on that matter? Silence speaks volumes. You knew I had a point. I have many times came to the aid of a poster who I'm debating against on a single matter (not the outcome).

Originally posted by h1a8
Well I could be mistaking you for another poster. Even so then why you didn't come to my aid when so many were arguing against me on that matter? Silence speaks volumes. You knew I had a point. I have many times came to the aid of a poster who I'm debating against on a single matter (not the outcome).

Really dude? You are getting upset because I didn't help fight your battles? I made my own comments on the thread, the characters involved, and its result, very early on, and had no interest dragging that shitfest out any longer. Do you have any idea how much crap was in that thing? Before you even joined the discussion, that thread had completely derailed on multiple occasions, in one instance to the point of posters challenging each other to post pictures of the jeans they wear in real life (I am not even kidding. TI, Quan and KT had a whole thing about it). I've told you more than once before, I have no interest in getting stuck in threads that devolve into circular debating with no end in sight. If people haven't come to an agreement after more than a 100 pages, they aren't going to.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'll let you decide how far ahead of the white car WS landed. Give me a range of possible distances. To my eye it looked like about 2 cars distance.

A car going 15mph could travel 15ft in .68 seconds. It takes a few tenths of a second for a human to react. And it actually took a few tenths for the actor to react. It took more than a second for the car to reach WS line.

You were the one who gave the "numbers". Either provide calculations/proof or admit you just pulled everything out of your ass.

You are known to be biased in the number "estimates" you provide.. Are you prepared to defend the numbers you are vomiting in this thread in a bz? Because I strongly feel I can disprove a good chunk of them under a judged debating environment.

6 month ban wager.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
You were the one who gave the "numbers". Either provide calculations/proof or admit you just pulled everything out of your ass.

You are known to be biased in the number "estimates" you provide.. Are you prepared to defend the numbers you are vomiting in this thread in a bz? Because I strongly feel I can disprove a good chunk of them under a judged debating environment.

6 month ban wager.

This is a debate. We are here to ascertain the truth, not win a contest. Stop trolling. If you don't believe something then say so.

Originally posted by h1a8
This is a debate. We are here to ascertain the truth, not win a contest. Stop trolling. If you don't believe something then say so.

And you're supposed to back up random numbers you spout with logical arguments. Otherwise, they're just made up numbers.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And you're supposed to back up random numbers you spout with logical arguments. Otherwise, they're just made up numbers.

I asked him to estimate the distance. He doesn't want to because he knows I'm right. These are trolling attempts.

Originally posted by h1a8
I asked him to estimate the distance. He doesn't want to because he knows I'm right. These are trolling attempts.

From what I can see of the previous posts, you're the one who keeps bringing up random numbers. Even claiming the cars were moving at 10 mph IIRC. So if you're going to come up with random numbers, you better have some logical calculations to back it up.

Originally posted by h1a8
This is a debate. We are here to ascertain the truth, not win a contest. Stop trolling. If you don't believe something then say so.

Then by all means, prove your numbers are accurate.

Originally posted by h1a8
I asked him to estimate the distance. He doesn't want to because he knows I'm right. These are trolling attempts.

You claimed they were a certain distance, that means the burden is on you.

Originally posted by h1a8
This is a debate. We are here to ascertain the truth, not win a contest. Stop trolling. If you don't believe something then say so.

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Well, of course I don't believe anything you post, you're logic is crappy and you are known to be biased AF.

The fact that you are unwilling to put your numbers to the test within a judged environment proves to everyone here even you don't have faith in your own numbers. Your false bravado isn't fooling anyone.

This is as quantifiable, provable, specific and balanced as it can get. I am going to disprove a large chunk of the numbers you have provided in a bz.

Why are you refusing it?

Is there a way we can get someone banned for clearly trolling? Because that's pretty much what H1 is doing at this point.

At this point? he's been doing it for years.

lol. I don't frequent the comicbook forums anymore. I assume that's where he's been hanging around?