Originally posted by FrothByte
Using this logic then you would need to admit that Miyagi can't strike at 200mph since he can only move at acting speed.
I'm using the SAME logic as the posters I replied to. They are going by visual speed so I am arguing on their basis. Now if another poster doesn't champion visual speed then I will not either. I'm not going to be sandwiched though.
Originally posted by FrothByteBane is very fast. He easily ducked and countered Batmans attacks. These attacks were as fast as WS attacks.
Bane was getting hit by an out of shape Batman, who even in his prime was ridiculously slow and cumbersome. I will grant that Bane does seem strong though he's nowhere near WS's level. But let's stop with this nonsense that Bane is some kind of fast fighter. Compared to pretty much any MCU fighter he's a snail.
You are ignoring the fact that Bane no sold Batman's attacks. Batman is fairly strong.
The only question here is if Winter Soldier can win this with one arm (his metal arm) literally tied behind his back. Based on how close he is to Cap in strength and skill, and based on how Cap tore those agents apart in the elevator with only one arm and how he punched through a submarine window - my answer is yes.
Originally posted by h1a8
I'm using the SAME logic as the posters I replied to. They are going by visual speed so I am arguing on their basis. Now if another poster doesn't champion visual speed then I will not either. I'm not going to be sandwiched though.
Yes and using visual speed we can clearly see that WS is far faster than Bane or Baleman. I don't see what you're trying to get at here. Either we use visual speed and we know that the choreography in TWS and CW are done far faster than in TDKR, or we use implied speed in which we know WS's enhanced stats are faster than Bane's.
You can't pick and choose. So which is it going to be, are we using visual speed or implied speed?
Originally posted by h1a8
Bane is very fast. He easily ducked and countered Batmans attacks. These attacks were as fast as WS attacks.You are ignoring the fact that Bane no sold Batman's attacks. Batman is fairly strong.
Yes he no sold an out of shape Batman's hits. But just a few months training in a dungeon cave and Bane apparently now gets hurt from Batman's hits.
Originally posted by h1a8
I'm using the SAME logic as the posters I replied to. They are going by visual speed so I am arguing on their basis. Now if another poster doesn't champion visual speed then I will not either. I'm not going to be sandwiched though.
Really? Let's test that theory, below is the post you quoted when you mentioned that WS was not all that fast, please point out where they said anything about visual speed.
Originally posted by marwash22
how is it ridiculous? Bane isn't fast enough to hit Bucky, or strong enough to do any damage if he did hit him, and he dies on Bucky's first punch.Bane has no chance of winning... that's like the definition of spite.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes and using visual speed we can clearly see that WS is far faster than Bane or Baleman. I don't see what you're trying to get at here. Either we use visual speed and we know that the choreography in TWS and CW are done far faster than in TDKR, or we use implied speed in which we know WS's enhanced stats are faster than Bane's.You can't pick and choose. So which is it going to be, are we using visual speed or implied speed?
I couldn't help but see his post after you quoted it, and it legitimately made me laugh out loud. Everyone else's standards for judging speed has remained consistent across the various threads. His are the only standards that have flip-flopped multiple times now. If his statement in that quote was earnest, he would have dropped his line of reasoning about Miyagi, in the other thread, and conformed to how the others were arguing (which he most definitely did not do). In fact, his whole excuse for not taking KingD's BZ challenge was his apparent issue with visual speed. Yet, here, he wants to judge speed based on who he personally thinks looked faster onscreen. Basically, all he has done with that statement is re-confirm his double standards.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Seriously, phuck you. You didn't do shit, when a professional baseball player back catches a fastball it makes the phucking news. I've never seen anyone try so hilariously hard to discredit it feat.
Anyone can make stuff up, while on the internet, so people can ignore those kinds of statements from him. And if he insists on them being included as part of his reasoning in this debate, the burden then falls on him to provide some verifiable proof that he actually did so (as with all valid, usable evidence in a debate). No one here is obligated to take his statements about his supposed personal achievements at face value, especially if he tries to use those statements in his arguments. So, if he brings it up again, ask him to prove it.
Originally posted by h1a8
What specific feats do Bucky have to say that Bane can't hurt him from a punch to the face?Banes mask has hella durability. It resisted full force from Batman without any damage. Bucky punch isn't much greater than Batman's full power. This is taking averages of course.
Talking hits and continuing to fight from people many, many, many times stronger than Bane. Captain America, Black Panther and Iron Man.
Saying that WS isn't above and beyond stronger than Batman is ridiculous and you're either just trolling for lolz or you suffer from mental problems. My money is on the former.
This is literally his shtick in every single VS thread he hops into; he takes the most outrageous stance possible and defends it poorly. If you just hop to the last page of any thread he posts in you can save yourself a lot of time if you're interested in his arguments, because they never make sense and they never change from page to page. Read them only if you're a fan of inanity.
Originally posted by h1a8
I'm using the SAME logic as the posters I replied to. They are going by visual speed so I am arguing on their basis. Now if another poster doesn't champion visual speed then I will not either. I'm not going to be sandwiched though.
What you're doing is changing the standards for evidence to what you believe gives your favorite character the best chance and even then you aren't being honest.
Originally posted by FrothByteNo he isn't. Batman is actually faster in some scenes and Bane is just as fast in others.
Yes and using visual speed we can clearly see that WS is far faster than Bane or Baleman. I don't see what you're trying to get at here. Either we use visual speed and we know that the choreography in TWS and CW are done far faster than in TDKR, or we use implied speed in which we know WS's enhanced stats are faster than Bane's.You can't pick and choose. So which is it going to be, are we using visual speed or implied speed?
I'm not picking, I'm allowing my opponent to pick.