Bane Vs The Winter Soldier

Originally posted by Robtard
Talking hits and continuing to fight from people many, many, many times stronger than Bane. Captain America, Black Panther and Iron Man.

Saying that WS isn't above and beyond stronger than Batman is ridiculous and you're either just trolling for lolz or you suffer from mental problems. My money is on the former.

WS metal arm is stronger than Batman but not by a lot. I would say about 2-4 times stronger on average. I guess you didn't see the superhuman (beyond a human) feats he did.

Iron man is the only character many times stronger. None of the other characters are. But we all know that movies and comics don't work like that. Characters strength fluctuates as the plot needs. Neither Cap nor WS can actually tank 1 hit from IM at full power. They are not bulletproof. Inconsistencies happen all the time. Look at supergirl show. Let's not pretend they don't and start equating one feat with another showing.

Originally posted by KingD19
Catching the shield is not easy. The only reason it didn't slice his hand off was because it was his robo arm.

Originally posted by h1a8
No he isn't. Batman is actually faster in some scenes and Bane is just as fast in others.

I'm not picking, I'm allowing my opponent to pick.

This isn't true.

Originally posted by h1a8
I can fight Hulk. Doesn't mean I'm stronger or durable at all. Who you fight is irrelevant. It's all about SPECIFIC FEATS.

WS metal arm is stronger than Batman but not by a lot. I would say about 2-4 times stronger on average. I guess you didn't see the superhuman (beyond a human) feats he did.

Iron man is the only character many times stronger. None of the other characters are. But we all know that movies and comics don't work like that. Characters strength fluctuates as the plot needs. Neither Cap nor WS can actually tank 1 hit from IM at full power. They are not bulletproof. Inconsistencies happen all the time. Look at supergirl show. Let's not pretend they don't and start equating one feat with another showing.

Again, this isn't true.

Originally posted by h1a8
The argument was about speed and reflexes, not durability. Also he can catch the shield by using his fingers and strength. No need to have the blade of the shield make contact with anything.

This is just you making things up to ignore feats.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
The only question here is if Winter Soldier can win this with one arm (his metal arm) literally tied behind his back. Based on how close he is to Cap in strength and skill, and based on how Cap tore those agents apart in the elevator with only one arm and how he punched through a submarine window - my answer is yes.

Originally posted by h1a8
Feats aren't shared. You have inconsistencies in media that prevents it. Cap can punch a mini sub window in one scene and punch with 5 times less force in another. Every single punch thrown by Cap in the movies are different in power. You can't equate feats

Why not, you do it all the time.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Really? Let's test that theory, below is the post you quoted when you mentioned that WS was not all that fast, please point out where they said anything about visual speed.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Why not, you do it all the time.

Not at all. If I do then it isn't serious, just as retaliation for someone doing it first. To give them a taste of their own medicine.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Why not, you do it all the time.

He makes those claims, while simultaneously scaling Bane's durability off other strength/striking feats by Batman. Funny how he only tries to apply his logic to the person he is arguing against. People can just use his logic against him and say you can't equate Batman's other feats with his hits against Bane, and use his same "power fluctuation/inconsistencies" argument. And, considering his stance, if he insists on doing so, just ask him to prove that Batman was hitting Bane with the same level of power/strength he performed the other feats with.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
He makes those claims, while simultaneously scaling Bane's durability off other strength/striking feats by Batman. Funny how he only tries to apply his logic to the person he is arguing against. People can just use his logic against him and say you can't equate Batman's other feats with his hits against Bane, and use his same "power fluctuation/inconsistencies" argument. And, considering his stance, if he insists on doing so, just ask him to prove that Batman was hitting Bane with the same level of power/strength he performed the other feats with.

Originally posted by h1a8
He's basing Bane isn't fast enough off visual speed. That is common sense. But even that's wrong as Bane several times moved as quick as Bucky ever had.

This isn't true.

Originally posted by h1a8
Not at all. If I do then it isn't serious, just as retaliation for someone doing it first. To give them a taste of their own medicine.

Yes, you do.

Originally posted by Silent Master
This isn't true.

Yes, you do.

Of course it is. If you believe that he's not basing Banes slowness off visual speed then you are an idiot. Why else he would think Bane is slow? What's the other possible reasons?

Originally posted by h1a8
Of course it is. If you believe that he's not basing Banes slowness off visual speed then you are an idiot. Why else he would think Bane is slow? What's the other possible reasons?

You're wrong.

Visual speed? Lol, talk about a straw man. Characters are portrayed by actors of varying levels of athletic ability, not to mention movies are filmed differently. That real life stuff doesn't have any affect on a fictional characters abilities.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Visual speed? Lol, talk about a straw man. Characters are portrayed by actors of varying levels of athletic ability, not to mention movies are filmed differently. That real life stuff doesn't have any affect on a fictional characters abilities.

The thing is that h1 will argue that a character that moves like an 95 year old 600lb man is faster than Bruce Lee based on implied speed if it helps the side he likes better. however, if he thinks visual speed is on his side, then he'll argue that.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The thing is that h1 will argue that a character that moves like an 95 year old 600lb man is faster than Bruce Lee based on implied speed if it helps the side he likes better. however, if he thinks visual speed is on his side, then he'll argue that.

Of course he would, he's a troll.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're wrong.

Funny thing is Marwash never said Bane was "slow", in the post in question. Simply that he wasn't fast enough to tag Bucky, the guy who is confirmed to be a superhumanly enhanced opponent. So, as others have mentioned, he is literally strawmanning Marwash's statements in an attempt to push his own argument forward.

Edit: And, apparently, SM, you're an "idiot" (so, he is flaming you) because you don't want to strawman along with him.

Originally posted by h1a8
No he isn't. Batman is actually faster in some scenes and Bane is just as fast in others.

I'm not picking, I'm allowing my opponent to pick.

So are we using visual speed or implied speed? Choose one and I'll prove you wrong.

His whole argument for flip-flopping his stance is nonsense in anyways.

Marwash could have meant visual speed, or he could have meant implied speed, based on one character being a legitimate superhuman, while the other isn't. His post doesn't say, either way. But H1 decided that he meant visual speed, because he needed an excuse to try and justify changing his standards (yet again). And the thing is, even if (for argument's sake) Marwash came out now and said he meant visual speed, that still wouldn't matter, as H1 made the assertion before there was any clarification, and then proceeded to make several posts based on his personal interpretation of Marwash's statement (and then basically called anyone who doesn't agree with his opinion an "idiot"😉.

And, apparently, he also needs to go back to English class. "Not fast enough" =/= "slow". Otherwise, CW Flash (a legitimate speedster) would be "slow", because he isn't "fast enough" to compete with Savitar.

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap can punch a mini sub window in one scene and punch with 5 times less force in another. Every single punch thrown by Cap in the movies are different in power.

I am struggling to see what point you are trying to make with this observation. Cap has complete and utter control over his strength and power, because he is supremely skilled and trains his ass off. If Cap hit a SHIELD agent as hard as he hit the submarine window he would knock his head clean off and since he is not a complete psychopath, he restrains himself.

As for comparing Bucky to Cap - it has been shown time and again that their feats are very similar, with a slight edge to Cap because he's had more screen-time.

It has also been demonstrably proven by using on-screen feats that either WS or Cap are strong enough and skilled enough that they could quite literally wring Bane's head clean off his shoulders if they wanted to.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
I am struggling to see what point you are trying to make with this observation. Cap has complete and utter control over his strength and power, because he is supremely skilled and trains his ass off. If Cap hit a SHIELD agent as hard as he hit the submarine window he would knock his head clean off and since he is not a complete psychopath, he restrains himself.

As for comparing Bucky to Cap - it has been shown time and again that their feats are very similar, with a slight edge to Cap because he's had more screen-time.

It has also been demonstrably proven by using on-screen feats that either WS or Cap are strong enough and skilled enough that they could quite literally wring Bane's head clean off his shoulders if they wanted to.

According to H1, we're apparently not allowed to equate feats in this match... unless it involves Bane's durability with Batman's other strength/striking feats.