Originally posted by Dreampanther
Ah, my apologies. I missed that particular stupidity amongst his mass of other stupidities...
It took me a while to find it, because I still have H1 on ignore. I see bits and pieces of the stuff he posts courtesy of them being quoted by other people. But notice his first statement, in response to KingD referencing WS's onscreen showings (which H1 tries to twist into "one" showing, even though there are multiple at this point, as KingD pointed out in his own post), and then note what he tries to use as evidence for Bane's durability, in his second point:
Originally posted by h1a8
1. Characters don't use the same force in every scene. Movies and Tv shows have great inconsistencies. To assume they don't exist is asinine. To take one showing and equate it to all showings is faulty.2. Bane NO SOLD haymakers from Batman. Batman has several SUPERHUMAN strength feats. This proves Bane can tank several metal arm blows.
Winter Soldier's metal arm has:
- Overpowered Cap on multiple occasions.
- Was overpowering Black Panther before the latter tossed him down some stairs, in Civil War.
- Cratered concrete with his fist during the highway battle, in TWS.
- Ripped the door off Nick Fury's SUV in TWS.
- Ripped the steering column out of a car, in TWS.
- Punched a chunk of concrete out of a wall, in Civil War.
- Punched a huge dent in a metal elevator, and smashed a resisting Cap through it, in Civil War.
- Crushed one of Iron Man's gauntlets, in Civil War.
- Punched a car to send it veering off the road, in Civil War.
- Has sent multiple individuals flying back with clean strikes.
- Punched the door off his containment cell when Zemo was using the control phrases on him, in Civil War.
And those are just feats I can name off the top of my head. Yet a certain poster tries to misrepresent things, and claims "one" feat is being used to equate to others.
Originally posted by h1a8
I can fight Hulk. Doesn't mean I'm stronger or durable at all. Who you fight is irrelevant. It's all about SPECIFIC FEATS.WS metal arm is stronger than Batman but not by a lot. I would say about 2-4 times stronger on average. I guess you didn't see the superhuman (beyond a human) feats he did.
Iron man is the only character many times stronger. None of the other characters are. But we all know that movies and comics don't work like that. Characters strength fluctuates as the plot needs. Neither Cap nor WS can actually tank 1 hit from IM at full power. They are not bulletproof. Inconsistencies happen all the time. Look at supergirl show. Let's not pretend they don't and start equating one feat with another showing.
Your irrelevant point aside, no, you could not "fight" the Hulk, not really. As Hulk would obliterate you in one hit and there's absolutely nothing you could do to Hulk. It would be a one-sided murder, not a fight.
I have argued that Batman in Nolan's films is on some level superhuman before. But he's no where near as superhuman as WS. "2-4 times" is a ridiculous lowball to WS.
This is why we go off high-end feats, that helps do away with people's bias and interpretations. WS's highest feats are leagues above Bane's highest. This is why Bane loses and loses decisively.
Originally posted by RobtardGoing solely off high end feats then you are absolutely correct. The arm being up to 4 times stronger than Batmans best isn't far from the truth. I don't know of many feats that WS did that is well beyond 4 times the strength needed to do Batmans best feats.
Your irrelevant point aside, no, you could not "fight" the Hulk, not really. As Hulk would obliterate you in one hit and there's absolutely nothing you could do to Hulk. It would be a one-sided murder, not a fight.I have argued that Batman in Nolan's films is on some level superhuman before. But he's no where near as superhuman as WS. "2-4 times" is a ridiculous lowball to WS.
This is why we go off high-end feats, that helps do away with people's bias and interpretations. WS's highest feats are leagues above Bane's highest. This is why Bane loses and loses decisively.
Imo, it would take more than 4 times more force (on average) to go from no selling something to koing them.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
It took me a while to find it, because I still have H1 on ignore. I see bits and pieces of the stuff he posts courtesy of them being quoted by other people. But notice his first statement, in response to KingD referencing WS's onscreen showings (which H1 tries to twist into "one" showing, even though there are multiple at this point, as KingD pointed out in his own post), and then note what he tries to use as evidence for Bane's durability, in his second point:Winter Soldier's metal arm has:
- Overpowered Cap on multiple occasions.
- Was overpowering Black Panther before the latter tossed him down some stairs, in Civil War.
- Cratered concrete with his fist during the highway battle, in TWS.
- Ripped the door off Nick Fury's SUV in TWS.
- Ripped the steering column out of a car, in TWS.
- Punched a chunk of concrete out of a wall, in Civil War.
- Punched a huge dent in a metal elevator, and smashed a resisting Cap through it, in Civil War.
- Crushed one of Iron Man's gauntlets, in Civil War.
- Punched a car to send it veering off the road, in Civil War.
- Has sent multiple individuals flying back with clean strikes.
- Punched the door off his containment cell when Zemo was using the control phrases on him, in Civil War.And those are just feats I can name off the top of my head. Yet a certain poster tries to misrepresent things, and claims "one" feat is being used to equate to others.
All you did was show that the arm is super strength. We all know this. What you haven't shown is it giving more than 4 times more force than Batmans best. Bane no sold a superhuman. Also strength feats doesn't equate to punching feats. Most feats you posted are irrelevant to his striking feats.
Anyway Bane is not going to allow WS to hit him with the metal arm. He's a master of the league of shadows and will attempt to kill WS instantly (not play with him make him suffer like he did to Batman). Being a master of the league of shadows implies that this fight will not be easy.
Originally posted by h1a8
All you did was show that the arm is super strength. We all know this. What you haven't shown is it giving more than 4 times more force than Batmans best. Bane no sold a superhuman. Also strength feats doesn't equate to punching feats. Most feats you posted are irrelevant to his striking feats.Anyway Bane is not going to allow WS to hit him with the metal arm. He's a master of the league of shadows and will attempt to kill WS instantly (not play with him make him suffer like he did to Batman). Being a master of the league of shadows implies that this fight will not be easy.
1. What superhuman strength feats are you referring to with Batman?
2. You said in a previous post that feats are not interchangeable. Why then are you discussing strength feats for Batman when he's not part of this discussion?
Originally posted by h1a8
All you did was show that the arm is super strength. We all know this. What you haven't shown is it giving more than 4 times more force than Batmans best. Bane no sold a superhuman. Also strength feats doesn't equate to punching feats. Most feats you posted are irrelevant to his striking feats.Anyway Bane is not going to allow WS to hit him with the metal arm. He's a master of the league of shadows and will attempt to kill WS instantly (not play with him make him suffer like he did to Batman). Being a master of the league of shadows implies that this fight will not be easy.
lmao.. i have watched nolanverse literally a million times, please enlughten me where batman's superhuman feats are
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
lmao.. i have watched nolanverse literally a million times, please enlughten me where batman's superhuman feats are
Ya, same here. Any character from the Nolanverse gets a beat down of beat downs from Bucky.
To tell the truth, barring the Supermen/Supergirl, Green Lantern, Dr. Manhattan, and Adam West Batman, Bucky would beat down any character from a film based on a DC property.
EDIT: Beat down, as in H2H fight. I don't mean he'd win a sniper battle vs that guy from The Losers or outshoot Deadshot.
I know I said I was done with this thread, but I saw that last post directed at me, and it was just too good to pass up. Firstly, 6 out of the 11 points I made about the metal arm were striking related (concrete ground punch, concrete wall punch, elevator punch, car punch, containment cell door punch, as well as the other instances of sending people flying with hits). So, any claim that "most" of my points are "irrelevant" to Bucky's striking power is straight-up false.
And then, H1 further expects me to prove a negative to a claim he made, about the "2 to 4" thing, when he has yet to provide even a single quantifiable superhuman striking feat (because he claimed strength feats do not equate to punching feats) in support of his stance (even though he claimed there were "several"😉.
Originally posted by h1a8
Negative. I would say after a minute. He's. Not going to hit Bane for a good while.
A good while? You must have(yet again) never watched the movie. Bane and Batman are moving at a snails pace. Bane even lets Bruce land a ton of hits because he's so cocky.
While in comparison you have Bucky and other enhanced people fighting like this
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Proof of the monumental speed difference between the two. And before you try any of that implied speed vs blah blah blah. Nolan himself said he wanted the movies to be realistic, and therefore everything is a lot slower and more thought out.
Don't try to lie yet again and turn things the way you want them. No way the fight lasts a minute. Bane can't dodge, and whatever he tries to block with gets broken.
Originally posted by h1a8
After a thousand punches. Let's not pretend it was 1 punch.
It was a containment unit designed to hold superhuman beings. Let's not pretend Bane would do more than break his hands trying to punch his way out.