Bane Vs The Winter Soldier

Originally posted by KingD19
A good while? You must have(yet again) never watched the movie. Bane and Batman are moving at a snails pace. Bane even lets Bruce land a ton of hits because he's so cocky.

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While in comparison you have Bucky and other enhanced people fighting like this

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Proof of the monumental speed difference between the two. And before you try any of that implied speed vs blah blah blah. Nolan himself said he wanted the movies to be realistic, and therefore everything is a lot slower and more thought out.

Don't try to lie yet again and turn things the way you want them. No way the fight lasts a minute. Bane can't dodge, and whatever he tries to block with gets broken.

It was a containment unit designed to hold superhuman beings. Let's not pretend Bane would do more than break his hands trying to punch his way out.

Visual speed is irrelevant. You have to take into consideration they are masters in the league of shadows. You can't be a master of anything with the speed that is displayed on film. Also, WS and Cap were moving at speeds much slower than professional fighters. Even Thugs in online videos have thrown faster attacks.
That's why you can't go off visual speed.

In an actual movie, Batman and Bane would give WS a hell of a fight. It's called the suspension of disbelief. Catherine Tramell (Basic Instinct) taught me that.

lol at the stupidity of this guy ^^^^

I think he's convinced himself that he can never be wrong and his opinion is the only correct opinion, regardless of facts stating otherwise.

Originally posted by h1a8
Negative. I would say after a minute. He's. Not going to hit Bane for a good while.

I'll bite.

Ok. WS shoots Bane in the face/neck/arms/chest with his 2 pistols (w/c is standard gear for TWS version).

Your rebuttal?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I'll bite.

Ok. WS shoots Bane in the face with his 2 pistols (w/c is standard gear for TWS version).

Your rebuttal?

As a Master League of Shadows assassin, Bane dodges the bullets with his super slow movements.

Originally posted by KingD19
As a Master League of Shadows assassin, Bane dodges the bullets with his super slow movements.

Hehe. Will see where he tries and take this. MvS has been slow so I'll play with him a bit.

Even if you ignore visual speed, and go by implied speed, then Cap and Bucky are still faster. Seeing as, ultimately, they are confirmed enhanced super soldiers, whereas the other two are not. And, in terms of training, both are WW2 veterans, Winter Soldier has operated as an elite Hydra assassin for decades, and Cap has been training with SHIELD extensively since coming out of the ice. And has had his skills tested against everything from killer robots, to aliens, and more. And we have multiple feats from high level SHIELD/HYDRA agents (May, Rumlow etc.), to get a good impression of the standard to which these organisations train their operatives. If implied skill from being LoS counts, then so does implied skill from being SHIELD/HYDRA. So, not only do they have the confirmed enhanced stats, they also have the pedigree and training to go along with it.

On a random note, Batman's costume is really not a very flattering look in broad daylight, especially surrounded by people dressed normally.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller

On a random note, Batman's costume is really not a very flattering look in broad daylight, especially surrounded by people dressed normally.

lol

Originally posted by h1a8
After a thousand punches. Let's not pretend it was 1 punch.

It was three or four, and that was at least 1.5 inches of plexy glass and steel. That's bar none one of the best street level striking feats we've seen on screen, don't even try and pretend that Bane has shit on hat.

Originally posted by h1a8
After a thousand punches. Let's not pretend it was 1 punch.

This is a lie.

Originally posted by h1a8
Negative. I would say after a minute. He's. Not going to hit Bane for a good
while.

This is just your opinion that has zero evidence to back it up.

Originally posted by h1a8
Visual speed is irrelevant. You have to take into consideration they are masters in the league of shadows. You can't be a master of anything with the speed that is displayed on film. Also, WS and Cap were moving at speeds much slower than professional fighters. Even Thugs in online videos have thrown faster attacks.
That's why you can't go off visual speed.

In an actual movie, Batman and Bane would give WS a hell of a fight. It's called the suspension of disbelief. Catherine Tramell (Basic Instinct) taught me that.

This is you admitting that WS is the faster fighter.

I like how h1 totes visual speed as the end all metric of who wins a fight when he's trying to defend a character, but against him, it's meaningless. 😂

Let's break it down for h1.

In shown speed WS >> Bane, in implied speed WS >>>> Bane.

Originally posted by KingD19

lol

Guess it's still better than the Batnips:

Originally posted by h1a8
Visual speed is irrelevant. You have to take into consideration they are masters in the league of shadows. You can't be a master of anything with the speed that is displayed on film. Also, WS and Cap were moving at speeds much slower than professional fighters. Even Thugs in online videos have thrown faster attacks.
That's why you can't go off visual speed.

In an actual movie, Batman and Bane would give WS a hell of a fight. It's called the suspension of disbelief. Catherine Tramell (Basic Instinct) taught me that.

Masters of the league of shadows are still slower than enhanced super soldiers. And it doesn't matter of Cap/WS look slower than professionl fighters, because Batman and Bane still look far slower than Cap and WS.

Silent Master summarized it perfectly: Visual Speed - WS is faster than Bane. Implied speed - WS is still faster than Bane.

There is no version of this argument that you can win.

where is h1 at? I need a good laugh

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Bucky curbstomps him easily, hell he probably could solo the Nolanverse after being stabbed by Talia.

Btw I calc'd the motorcycle feat, a WW2 Era WLA Harley Davidson weighed in at roughly 330km or 730ish pounds. Add in the weight of the women which I estimated at 125 pounds each with metal helmets and it gives us Cap lifting casually with one hand over 1100pounds of unbalanced weight. Bucky with his robot arm was able to completely over power Cap.

What about the helicopter feat?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Bane is definitely going to give WS problems....

......in understanding what he's saying.

Yeah, the dude sounded like some weird version of Donald Duck whose scrotum was constantly being squeezed as hard as possible.

Originally posted by h1a8
Bane is highly intelligent. He's only trading punches if he feels he can. Bane is not going to let Bucky hit him with the metal arm.

What specifically did he do that you feel showcased a high intellect?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I'll bite.

Ok. WS shoots Bane in the face/neck/arms/chest with his 2 pistols (w/c is standard gear for TWS version).

Your rebuttal?

This is a h2h fight. I'm arguing only a h2h fight.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Even if you ignore visual speed, and go by implied speed, then Cap and Bucky are still faster. Seeing as, ultimately, they are confirmed enhanced super soldiers, whereas the other two are not. And, in terms of training, both are WW2 veterans, Winter Soldier has operated as an elite Hydra assassin for decades, and Cap has been training with SHIELD extensively since coming out of the ice. And has had his skills tested against everything from killer robots, to aliens, and more. And we have multiple feats from high level SHIELD/HYDRA agents (May, Rumlow etc.), to get a good impression of the standard to which these organisations train their operatives. If implied skill from being LoS counts, then so does implied skill from being SHIELD/HYDRA. So, not only do they have the confirmed enhanced stats, they also have the pedigree and training to go along with it.

On a random note, Batman's costume is really not a very flattering look in broad daylight, especially surrounded by people dressed normally.

They are not faster. Normal humans were getting licks off them and were able to dodge them easily. Look at the scene in civil war where Bucky faces Tony with the IMed hand, the blonde lady, etc.

Originally posted by h1a8
They are not faster. Normal humans were getting licks off them and were able to dodge them easily. Look at the scene in civil war where Bucky faces Tony with the IMed hand, the blonde lady, etc.

"Easily"? Nice job exaggerating. Tony landed one clean hit, when they were both caught by surprise, when his watch gauntlet broke the gun (and got floored immediately afterwards), and Agent 13 landed one kick after BW lowblow'd Bucky. And, from start to finish, it took Winter Soldier less than 30 seconds to take all 3 of them out (he was choking BW, who was helpless, when T'Challa intervened). So, bringing that up hardly helps your "1 minute" argument.

Edit: Wait, I just looked at a previous post. Are you seriously using "suspension of disbelief" as an argument for Batman or Bane giving Winter Soldier a tough fight? I'm sorry, but that's not an argument at all. That's you trying to validate your personal opinion without presenting any real evidence to support it. And that's not how debates here work. Because, with that kind of reasoning, I can state that Captain America can give MaGuire Spiderman a fight, and just say "suspension of disbelief" when asked to support the claim.