Originally posted by h1a8
They are not faster. Normal humans were getting licks off them and were able to dodge them easily. Look at the scene in civil war where Bucky faces Tony with the IMed hand, the blonde lady, etc.
That means you're using what is shown, so going by what the movies actually show. WS is the faster fighter.
Originally posted by Silent Master
That means you're using what is shown, so going by what the movies actually show. WS is the faster fighter.
If he wants to go that way, that's fine by me. It took Baleman considerably longer to deal with a pair of dogs and a clown in a purple suit, and the Joker was armed with nothing but a piece of pipe.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
If he wants to go that way, that's fine by me. It took Baleman considerably longer to deal with a pair of dogs and a clown in a purple suit, and the Joker was armed with nothing but a piece of pipe.
I almost laughed out loud at how h1 thought he found a loophole which would allow him to lowball WS's implied speed, yet didn't realize that, that same standard could be used to do the same to Bane and Miyagi.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I almost laughed out loud at how h1 thought he found a loophole which would allow him to lowball WS's implied speed, yet didn't realize that, that same standard could be used to do the same to Bane and Miyagi.
Pretty much. And Baleman from TDK is arguably when he was at his overall peak. Much younger and less battered than TDKR version that Bane fought, plus he hadn't been inactive for several years during TDK.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Pretty much. And Baleman from TDK is arguably when he was at his overall peak. Much younger and less battered than TDKR version that Bane fought, plus he hadn't been inactive for several years during TDK.
Plus the normal human Mc-dojo teachers weren't all that much slower than Miyagi.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I almost laughed out loud at how h1 thought he found a loophole which would allow him to lowball WS's implied speed, yet didn't realize that, that same standard could be used to do the same to Bane and Miyagi.
I didn't lowball WS. Please apply the same standard to them. I welcome it.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerDealing with dogs has nothing to do with anything. Dogs bite, they don't punch.
If he wants to go that way, that's fine by me. It took Baleman considerably longer to deal with a pair of dogs and a clown in a purple suit, and the Joker was armed with nothing but a piece of pipe.
Originally posted by Silent MasterYes, not visual speed, but effective suspension of disbelief speed. If WS was significantly faster than a human then there would be no way normal humans could defend against his attacks or land hits on him.
That means you're using what is shown, so going by what the movies actually show. WS is the faster fighter.
You'll notice that h1 ran away, it's because he knows that his new argument, that of using how they relate to normal humans in universe actually hurts his chosen characters far more than it does Cap and WS. he is now desperately trying to figure a way to argue that Bane, Baleman and Miyagi are immune to his new standard of evidence.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Slow down guys. It looks like he already knows Bane loses in 3-5 seconds. No need to engage him and push the argument further.Altho, I do understand that ppl are bored. MvS has been slow. 😛
We could always make a Miyagi vs. Bane thread to kill the time. Or maybe a Khan vs. Miyagi thread...
Originally posted by h1a8
WS would have problems hitting Bane with the metal arm. Bane can easily tank hits from the normal arm without much damage.Here's one argument.
Batman casually koed a human with a backfist snap. Yet he couldn't do much to Bane with full haymakers. Thus Bane is many times more durable than a human.
Why do you even post?