When does fts matter???

Originally posted by -Pr-
That just feels... Wrong, to me. Both that it wouldn't happen, and that even if it would, it shouldn't. Maybe I'm in the minority, but that's me.

lol those are some shitty examples, to be fair.

Im not saying it's right Raoul ijs Beast sucks ass at h2h

Originally posted by h1a8
That's crazy. In h2h with no gear beast should beat Castle comfortably. Todd would give a better fight but still lose.
Beast is more than 10x stronger, more durable, more agile, and just as fast (is not faster).

Make the thread. Castle or Todd or Grayson or Rogers or Crossbones or Daredevil or Ninjak or Green Arrow vs Hank Mccoy no gear h2h.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Mariusz has done ok in MMA. He has a winning record, and this is despite a major late start and fighting people with way more experience than him.

👆

Originally posted by -Pr-
No, they weren't. Colossus and Ulik aren't even in the same tiers. There's absolutely no reason to even compare the two.

Superman and Marvel? Superman has him beat in fights and in non-combat showings.

Is this thread not supposed to be about characters that are more ambiguous?

and el oh ****ing el at using Konvikt and Hulk together.

You're missing the point though. The point isn't about tiers, I'm talking about fts. Colossus strength fts outweighs Ulik but Ulik fights shows him as being superior.

At the end of the day, they are equals though. Let's rid this sentence of Cap and Supes, I don't want to discuss those two.

Hulk and Konvikt is a great comparison for this thread. Hulk strength, durability, and speed outweighs Konvikts...the only reason we know these two would be debatable is based off Konvikt showing against the JLA.

Originally posted by carver9
but Ulik fights shows him as being superior

Ha, no.

Ulik fights show him getting stung by a bullet and losing his balance and a fall KTFO'ing him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ha, no.

Ulik fights show him getting stung by a bullet and losing his balance and a fall KTFO'ing him.

You see what I mean.

Yeah, got your point, but I can't resist to nitpick the shit out of random posts.

It's my curse.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Y would a physically weaker opponent allow that? Plus there isn't a Robin alive that could match Bane in ma so your point is moot. He's above them physically and skill wise.

A good example is Herc/Thor. They are rough equals stat wise but Herc strikes harder, he's a far better fighter. Thor relies TOO heavily on mjolnir. Theyve dedicated his current arc to just how worthless he is without it...it doesn't matter how many Serpents you lift or how many cities you pick up if your punches dont pack that power you will get dropped. Hulk on the other hand will lift mountains all day and still floor you with a punch...he's the exception along with a few others

Bane vs Batman. Grundy vs Batman stuff like that makes more sense as examples. Batman doesn't beat Bane or Grundy by raw strength, atleast in a good written comic. He uses skill, gear and smarts.

Physical weaker character's don't just let anyone grab them, ofcourse they don't it's a fight after all. It doesn't mean it can't happen and if it does guess what? The physically stronger character displays dominance. Look at Nu52 Doomsday vs Wonder Woman for example.

Originally posted by carver9
You're missing the point though. The point isn't about tiers, I'm talking about fts. Colossus strength fts outweighs Ulik but Ulik fights shows him as being superior.

At the end of the day, they are equals though. Let's rid this sentence of Cap and Supes, I don't want to discuss those two.

Hulk and Konvikt is a great comparison for this thread. Hulk strength, durability, and speed outweighs Konvikts...the only reason we know these two would be debatable is based off Konvikt showing against the JLA.

I don't like it when you lie to me, Carter. It destroys what little trust we have.

Originally posted by carver9
On false information. 😠

Ahhh, young, Carver, you have MUCH to learn!

I met ALL of the necessary criteria to establish my FLAWLESS analysis as an answer to your question.

1. Consistency- Both appearances involving The Hulk vs SunGod and Hyperion were under the same writer.

2. Context- The combatants were all at their best during the aforementioned battles.

3.Clarity- There was a definitive result in both battles allowing for a clear appraisal of everyone's abilities!

As the, KING OF CANON, I am ALWAYS fair and balanced!!!

This is not young carver. This is carver senior.

Carver junior doesn't have a KMC acc, afaik.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm confused on this and KMC is full of highly intelligent people to help me with my question.

When does fts matter?

Originally posted by carver9
So how would we know if someone fought Superman at his best? It's not like Superman lifted a planet before facing Doomsday. So are we to say that Doomsday fought an average Superman?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Im not saying it's right Raoul ijs Beast sucks ass at h2h

Make the thread. Castle or Todd or Grayson or Rogers or Crossbones or Daredevil or Ninjak or Green Arrow vs Hank Mccoy no gear h2h.

Rogers can beat Beast. But it would be difficult.
Everyone else loses easily. I don't know anything about Ninjak.

I'll make the thread.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes. If no other evidence exists then characters are performing to average levels in a comic (strength and durability mostly). Now when Superman got serious and killed DD in a few panels then clearly this is above average Superman.

What about Wonder Woman? She also fought Doomsday as well but she didn't pull a moon, pull Earth, or withstand anything close to what she had experienced with her best durability showings. This applies to EVERYONE Doomsday has fought, including Orion, Martian Manhunter, etc... did Doomsday fight the average versions of said characters? The characters that is probably performing at 10 K tons? If so, where would this place Doomsday since he is fighting characters that are not performing at their best? Or anywhere close to it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't like it when you lie to me, Carter. It destroys what little trust we have.

Sigh...I was hoping we could debate against each other for a change. Guess not. You won.

Originally posted by carver9
Sigh...I was hoping we could debate against each other for a change. Guess not. You won.

DON'T BACK DOWN, CARVER!!!

Originally posted by carver9
Sigh...I was hoping we could debate against each other for a change. Guess not. You won.

This isn't a debate thread, though.

Originally posted by carver9
What about Wonder Woman? She also fought Doomsday as well but she didn't pull a moon, pull Earth, or withstand anything close to what she had experienced with her best durability showings. This applies to EVERYONE Doomsday has fought, including Orion, Martian Manhunter, etc... did Doomsday fight the average versions of said characters? The characters that is probably performing at 10 K tons? If so, where would this place Doomsday since he is fighting characters that are not performing at their best? Or anywhere close to it.

He beat them easily. That means he's much higher than them.

In a forum, DD will not be operating at planet busting levels although he beat characters that can bust a planet under their highest strength feats. Hulk will not be operating at those levels either (unless it's WBH).

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes, DD fought against average level characters (meaning, their strength and durability were at average levels unless otherwise shown differently).

He beat them easily. That means he's much higher than them.

In a forum, DD will not be operating at planet busting levels although he beat characters that can bust a planet under their highest strength feats. Hulk will not be operating at those levels either (unless it's WBH).

Are you saying the character that Doomsday beat were operating at planet busting levels?

Why do people ignore Squirrel Girl, Batman etc?

By fights, they are up there.

By feats, they aren't.

So if we take fights as paramount....fights which are ALWAYS plot driven....why is Squirrel Girl, Bats et al disregarded?