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Originally posted by NewGuy01
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During the Telos battle scene on Youtube (Star Wars Kotor 2 - Battle of Telos) you can see from 1:32 to 1:36 there's around 21 hits that strike his vessel.
During the second scene from 1:39-1:42 there's around 15 hits (if you count differently on either of these two lemme know). (sorry it won't let me link yet I guess)
The interesting thing about this is that the vessel isn't taking any damage, and upon entering the vessel Canderous' soldier gives him a report on the ship in which he clearly states:
The vessel has suffered extensive structural damage, but its particle fields still maintain a minimal atmosphere within the ship.
-KOTOR 2
Nihilus himself is holding this vessel together as is shown here:
Canderous: "Hnh. This ship is barely holding itself together. The structural damage should have destroyed it long ago."Tobin: "He holds it together. And he keeps us all alive, just enough, like rotworms within a dying beast."
-KOTOR 2
Of interest:
However, during the Dark Wars, the Sith Lord Darth Nihilus manages to resurrect one of the crushed battlecruisers from Malachor V, turning the wreck of the Ravager into a spaceworthy ghost ship"
-The Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide
With particle shielding barely holding atmosphere and that being the sum of the shielding report, it should be understood that Nihilus is holding his ghost ship together and shielding it himself.
The ability to block Blaster Bolts and Force Lightning is called Absorb/Dissipate Energy:
"Absorb/Dissipate Energy
Characters may use this power for energy attacks such as blaster bolts and Force lightning...
-Force Powers for Star Wars"
I feel that is the closest to what we are seeing there unless someone wants to argue he can hold a ship's metal together under the power and energy of a direct turbolaser hit. I simply scale it up as a colossal use of the power.
So:
a.) He is extending his absorb/dissipate energy ability to cover his ship
b.) He is blocking dozens upon dozens of blaster bolts passively
which leads to:
c.) If he can do this for his ship, he can do this for himself
With that, I don't see how an energy attack of Plagueis' level is going to do anything to him. Even a saber strike is small potatoes to blocking turbolaser shots.
Originally posted by Miko Hacksaw
Nihilus wins the day here.His drain is clocked at "thought" speed. This is going to be a very short fight if his drain is included.
Drain aside, there's not much below DE Sids' Force Storm (Wormhole variation) that is going to touch his Absorb/Dissipate ability.
The speed of thought isn't a very impressive benchmark when we're discussing the uppermost echelons of SW characters. Even RotJ Luke has moved within the speed of thought alone. Plagueis, whose speed decades before his prime was comparable to that of lightning, is vastly, vastly above that.
Sounds more like he's just holding the ship together as opposed to shielding it. He's already circumvented conditions that would result in the ship's destruction, so it's not too hard to believe.
Regardless, Plagueis is factually more powerful than Nihilus. He can circumvent Nihilus' defensive powers.
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Darth Plagueis's superiority is not in strength but context-specific. His promotion as the most powerful Sith Lord in history rests upon his mastery of Midichlorian Manipulation ability as specified in the back cover(s) of the reprints of the original novel. And this promotion is entirely from a secondary source - Del Rey. Therefore, not a component of in-universe Star Wars lore, and subjective.
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From the original Hardcover print:
He was the most powerful Sith lord who ever lived... but could he be the only one who never died?
From the Mass Market Paperback reprint:
Darth Plagueis: Like all Sith Lords before him, he craves absolute power. But like no Sith Lord ever, he possesses the ultimate power—over life and death.
I see a connection between these two revelations; they are like two sides of the same coin. The top one is generic but the bottom one is more elaborated.
And yes, they are not a component of the in-universe Star Wars lore. They represent OOU perspective of a character from a singular source and therefore subjective. We do not have a consensus for it.
If you read the book, you'd also notice a connection between the most powerful quote and Plagueis' musings that he can now replicate any feat of power accomplished by any Sith in the past. It's clear that it's referring to a conventional sense of power as well as midi-chlorian manipulation.
They represent the OOU perspective of a character? Are you even listening to yourself? A character cannot be out-of-universe, lol - that's our universe. Character opinions are limited to in-universe material. I don't even know what character you think this is the opinion of.
We don't have a consensus because some people are just in denial. It's been confirmed that they're canon already. Just get over it.
Originally posted by SunRazer
If you read the book, you'd also notice a connection between the most powerful quote and Plagueis' musings that he can now replicate any feat of power accomplished by any Sith in the past. It's clear that it's referring to a conventional sense of power as well as midi-chlorian manipulation.
Originally posted by SunRazer
They represent the OOU perspective of a character? Are you even listening to yourself? A character cannot be out-of-universe, lol - that's our universe. Character opinions are limited to in-universe material. I don't even know what character you think this is the opinion of.
Originally posted by SunRazer
We don't have a consensus because some people are just in denial. It's been confirmed that they're canon already. Just get over it.