Darth Nihilis vs Darth Plagueis

Originally posted by AncientPower
'The dark side's most powerful Master' is interpretable in many ways. However primarily, we still have the fact that you can't attach the future tense present in the question to the statement itself.

A feats comparison with a number of preceding Sith doesn't go well for Plagueis at all.

No idea what you're talking about. It's perfectly permissible to have a statement like "the most powerful dark side master who ever lived", just like we had "the most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived" on the back of DP.

And bar Valkorion, nobody could really press Plagueis in a feats comparison, especially if we allow scaling.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I must have missed the evidence that the Ravager was without deflector shields, can someone provide it?

During the Mandalorian team's entrance on the Ravager a Mandalorian gives Canderous a rundown on the status of the ship.

The vessel has suffered extensive structural damage, but its particle fields still maintain a minimal atmosphere within the ship.
-KOTOR 2

Of course, Meetra's ship was able to land on Nihilus' ship during a full scale barrage from Telos Station's Turbolaser Defense guns.

As you can remember, Ahsoka and Anakin could not land on a Republic Capital Ship while their deflector shields were up:

Anakin: "All we've got to do is land on that Jedi cruiser."
Ahsoka: "But, Master, their deflector shields are up."
...
Admiral Yularen: "Open the main hangar door and lower the deflector shields."
-The Clone Wars movie

Originally posted by MythLord
The SW-verse doesn't quite follow RL physics or chemistry, something Lucas and many EU writers noted.

Numbers are still fun, and can still give us a ballpark figure.

Volumetrics and such aside, the storms of Malachor V are stated to be able to pull down the strongest ships, ships which can produce enough thrust to move a capital ship over 300 KPH. Anyone familiar with physics on a simple level would note that the Gravity well of Malachor V had the power to easily overcome the maximum thrust of a capital ship that could move that vessel that fast.

In order to escape Malachor V, he would have to lift an object of mass with more force than a capital ship at full throttle.

Not sure what Canderous' comment is supposed to prove but the fact Meetra was able to land on the ship is more compelling.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Not sure what Canderous' comment is supposed to prove but the fact Meetra was able to land on the ship is more compelling.

Shows shielding that only allows for minimal atmosphere. The fact that they allow ONLY a minimal atmosphere means they are not strong enough to retain a stronger atmosphere than the minimal requirement which for humans is around .3/bars (sea level atmosphere is 1 bar). This means any pressure over 4.35 PSI is not contained by the ship.

But yes, Meetra going through an open portion of the ship where the ablative plating used to be shows the lack of deflector shielding.

Both together establish the idea in my mind.

Sure, but even if we were to reach this conclusion, you've provided no basis for assuming Plagueis Force powers will prove less or even only as potent as turbolaser barrage.

Plagueis

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Sure, but even if we where to reach this conclusion, you've provided no basis for assuming Plagueis Force powers will prove as or even less potent than a turbolaser barrage.

I know fan calcs don't count for much, but Turbolaser feats count for something.

Turbolaser bolts are known to rip through durasteel armored ships, and atomize pits in earth six foot wide by five foot deep, among other things, and Nihilus was negating these at over 5 per second.

Even if we assume it takes Meetra 10 minutes to get to Nihilus and the battle is still raging, you're looking at a possible 3,000 Turbolaser Bolts (over 10 minutes) negated while Nihilus stands there on his ship easily perfoming this feat.

This is ON TOP of his already phenomenal durability (armor and robes surviving the detonation of his ship).

And yes, his powers will be somewhat less focused being in Nihilus' aura.

Turbolaser bolts are also known to be absorbed by the shielding of an AT-AT, and yet Galen Marek downed one with Force lighting rather casually, and indeed was able to charge up a turbolaser gun to be dramatically more potent that it's original design allowed. Plagueis is far more powerful than Marek, and therefore the should be capable of exceeding the offensive output of a turbolaser battery in an excess of spades. In that respect, I don't really see the ability to withstand even thousands of turbolaser blasts to be of much relevance, when the power Plagueis can bring to bear will be inordinately more potent.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Turbolaser bolts are also known to be absorbed by the shielding of an AT-AT,

Hm? Source?