Darth Nihilis vs Darth Plagueis

The SW-verse doesn't quite follow RL physics or chemistry, something Lucas and many EU writers noted.

Originally posted by MythLord
The SW-verse doesn't quite follow RL physics or chemistry, something Lucas and many EU writers noted.

Which can still be used to "give invaluable insight on magnitudes of power (multiples of 10)" to compare if certain feats are on the same ballpark or not.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Number 2 under Valkorion imo.

Originally posted by MythLord
The SW-verse doesn't quite follow RL physics or chemistry, something Lucas and many EU writers noted.

I didn't even pay attention to the calcs, but previously I hadn't payed any attention to the storms on Malachor, merely the gravity well and MSG. For Nihilus to have lifted the Ravager etc off of Malachor is insane given the statements about how strong the storms are on top of the gravity.

Oh hey, I also found this:

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/35291-more-story-info/

A neat collection of loading screen quotes.

None of this changes that plagueis is factually more powerful

I always figured most people dismissed that "most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived" accolade.

I'm pleasantly surprised to find I was wrong.

It's not even remotely relevant, just like DoE's isn't.

If the_dark side's_most powerful master can capture the ultimate secret, the Sith will never die—and neither will_Darth Bane.

😂

Wow.
Fvcking Karpyshyn. Guess that makes novel blurb irrelevant.

He personally stated that he doesn't write the Novel Blurbs, the Publishing Company, Del Rey Books, does it for marketing purposes. Del Rey Books also published Plagueis.

That's referring to Bane's era, not history, lol.

It was still fvcking wrong.

Because the Son was around? The Son has a quote retconning that.

It never makes a definitive statement of time period, that's a baseless assumption. It states he's the dark side's most powerful master, full stop.

It's present tense and in-universe, so that's not a baseless assumption at all, it's common sense that apparently isn't common to you.

Per that line of thinking, you could take any "most powerful" quote without specification to history and treat it as more powerful than anyone else in all of history. So per the Revan novel, Revan's now the most powerful Jedi ever, etc.

Otherwise DP's blurb wouldn't include the "who ever lived" part.

If the dark side's most powerful master can capture the ultimate secret, the Sith will never die—and neither will Darth Bane.

Indeed, that one part is future-predictive tense. Which is why it only refers to a distant possibility, not fact, and should be recognized as such.

Originally posted by SunRazer
It's present tense and in-universe, so that's not a baseless assumption at all, it's common sense that apparently isn't common to you.

Per that line of thinking, you could take any "most powerful" quote without specification to history and treat it as more powerful than anyone else in all of history. So per the Revan novel, Revan's now the most powerful Jedi ever, etc.

Otherwise DP's blurb wouldn't include the "who ever lived" part.

You're attaching the present tense of the query to the statement that he is the dark side's most powerful Master. They are not one in the same. Incase you missed it, there are no other Masters by this point. Zannah herself is still very much the Apprentice.

It says dark side master, not Sith master. Indeed, Zannah's also a master of the dark side by this point, as evinced by her readiness to succeed Bane and all her feats and accolades.

'The dark side's most powerful Master' is interpretable in many ways. However primarily, we still have the fact that you can't attach the future tense present in the question to the statement itself.

A feats comparison with a number of preceding Sith doesn't go well for Plagueis at all.

Originally posted by SunRazer
It's present tense and in-universe, so that's not a baseless assumption at all, it's common sense that apparently isn't common to you.

Per that line of thinking, you could take any "most powerful" quote without specification to history and treat it as more powerful than anyone else in all of history. So per the Revan novel, Revan's now the most powerful Jedi ever, etc.

Otherwise DP's blurb wouldn't include the "who ever lived" part.

It quickly became clear to Luke that this decrepit and seemingly defenseless old man was masterfully adept in the ways of the Dark Side of the Force. Indeed, as Vader had warned, the Emperor had become the Dark Side's most powerful expression.

But we knew that already. 😱

Originally posted by AncientPower
A feats comparison with a number of preceding Sith doesn't go well for Plagueis at all.