Supergirl vs. MCU Thor

Originally posted by h1a8
Yet you can't give us one clear example of one.

Okay, looks like I have to go pre-school for you here.

In multiple threads, the moment someone does a comparison like "A is impressive because in another instance, it also did B" in favour of someone you are against, you pull your "Feats don't prove feats. Power inconsistencies" nonsense. You never actually prove that there are any inconsistencies in those instances either. You just claim that there are in order to dismiss feats you don't like. Yet I have never seen you apply that same argument to any feats regarding characters you argue for. You certainly didn't do it for characters like Nolan Bane or Ra's.

And I am quite sure that the other posters here did in fact know exactly what I meant, as they have also dealt with you before. So, don't try and throw out "us" when you are the one lacking comprehension.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Are you the writer?

Hardly the first time he has tried to act like he alone knows exactly what the writer's intent was.

Also, am I right in assuming you understood perfectly well what I meant earlier when I was commenting on H1's "power inconsistencies" shtick he often tries to use?

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Hardly the first time he has tried to act like he alone knows exactly what the writer's intent was.

Also, am I right in assuming you understood perfectly well what I meant earlier when I was commenting on H1's "power inconsistencies" shtick he often tries to use?

I thought your point was rather obvious, but this might explain why h1 missed it.

Originally posted by h1a8
Because I'm retarded.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Okay, looks like I have to go pre-school for you here.

In multiple threads, the moment someone does a comparison like "A is impressive because in another instance, it also did B" in favour of someone you are against, you pull your "Feats don't prove feats. Power inconsistencies" nonsense. You never actually prove that there are any inconsistencies in those instances either. You just claim that there are in order to dismiss feats you don't like. Yet I have never seen you apply that same argument to any feats regarding characters you argue for. You certainly didn't do it for characters like Nolan Bane or Ra's.

And I am quite sure that the other posters here did in fact know exactly what I meant, as they have also dealt with you before. So, don't try and throw out "us" when you are the one lacking comprehension.

Bullets don't job, stone pillars don't job, any material object doesn't job. People job, characters job, etc. You can't use a material feat to prove a feat when it comes to feats against characters. Just because character A performed a cheese feat doesn't mean that character B gets that feat when he beats A.

Therefore, no inconsistency yet. Although that's irrelevant to whether it is sound logic. I can say it's impressive that Thing tanked a punch from Gladiator since Gladiator once destroyed a planet with punches. That's illogical since we know that Gladiator wasn't hitting Thing with anything close to planet destroying punches.

Originally posted by h1a8
Simple. Because the writer didn't want him to.

Are you the writer?

Originally posted by h1a8
Bullets don't job, stone pillars don't job, any material object doesn't job. People job, characters job, etc. You can't use a material feat to prove a feat when it comes to feats against characters. Just because character A performed a cheese feat doesn't mean that character B gets that feat when he beats A.

Therefore, no inconsistency yet. Although that's irrelevant to whether it is sound logic. I can say it's impressive that Thing tanked a punch from Gladiator since Gladiator once destroyed a planet with punches. That's illogical since we know that Gladiator wasn't hitting Thing with anything close to planet destroying punches.

Why on Earth are you going on about bullets and stone pillars? I have not been talking about that at all. I made it blatantly clear what I was talking about in the very first post you responded to (using separate character feats by Batman against fodder (sometimes from a different movie) to scale Ra's and Bane's combat abilities, which you have done multiple times before). And no one has been saying character B gets character A's feats for beating character A. Stop trying to misrepresent the argument. Fact is you have tried to use character feats to prove other feats before, as mentioned above, yet when the same argument is used against you, you pull your "fluctuating power levels" shtick. You've been called out on it by not just me before. Anyone who bothers checking the threads in question can see for themselves. But I suspect you will just try more mental gymnastics to justify yourself. So, go ahead, let's see those mental backflips.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Why on Earth are you going on about bullets and stone pillars? I have not been talking about that at all. I made it blatantly clear what I was talking about in the very first post you responded to (using separate character feats by Batman against fodder (sometimes from a different movie) to scale Ra's and Bane's combat abilities, which you have done multiple times before). And no one has been saying character B gets character A's feats for beating character A. Stop trying to misrepresent the argument. Fact is you have tried to use character feats to prove other feats before, as mentioned above, yet when the same argument is used against you, you pull your "fluctuating power levels" shtick. You've been called out on it by not just me before. Anyone who bothers checking the threads in question can see for themselves. But I suspect you will just try more mental gymnastics to justify yourself. So, go ahead, let's see those mental backflips.

I never mentioned Ra in any discussion. You are confusing me with someone else.
As far as Bane, you guys claimed that he was slow as shit because of acting speed. This is faulty because he wouldn't be a master of the league of shadows if he were. Both Batman and Bane are incredibly fast due to intent. It's impossible to be a master fighting without sufficient speed.

You can definitely use the speed and skill in which one character's fights and scale them with another character if that character fights them as a peer.

But you can't use shit like "Thing took Gladiator's punches without being koed one time. Gladiator has been shown to bust planets with his punches."
Do you see how ridiculous that implication is?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Are you the writer?

How is that relevant?

Originally posted by h1a8
How is that relevant?

Seeing as you keep talking about the writer's intent, the relevancy of my question should be blindingly obvious.

Now, are you the writer?

Originally posted by h1a8
I never mentioned Ra in any discussion. You are confusing me with someone else.
As far as Bane, you guys claimed that he was slow as shit because of acting speed. This is faulty because he wouldn't be a master of the league of shadows if he were. Both Batman and Bane are incredibly fast due to intent. It's impossible to be a master fighting without sufficient speed.

You can definitely use the speed and skill in which one character's fights and scale them with another character if that character fights them as a peer.

But you can't use shit like "Thing took Gladiator's punches without being koed one time. Gladiator has been shown to bust planets with his punches."
Do you see how ridiculous that implication is?

So lying now? You did that exact thing in the one Ra's battle, where you tried to claim he was actually more skilled than people like Black Widow because he fought Batman, who beat a group of fodder in another showing. You were still having the discussion with Frothbyte.

And nope. I said he was slower than Winter Soldier. I never said he was slow as shit. If someone else said that, that's your discussion with them.

And no one was using your Gladiator/Thing line of reasoning, but that didn't stop you from pulling your "characters fluctuate from scene to scene" crap.

But good job. You pretty much did exactly what I said you would.

On second thought, as H1 is never going to answer my questions​, I will just go ahead and explain my point now. H1 is not the writer nor has he ever spoken with the writer, so when he says writer's intention, what he actually means is 'IMO'.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
So lying now? You did that exact thing in the one Ra's battle, where you tried to claim he was actually more skilled than people like Black Widow because he fought Batman, who beat a group of fodder in another showing. You were still having the discussion with Frothbyte.

And nope. I said he was slower than Winter Soldier. I never said he was slow as shit. If someone else said that, that's your discussion with them.

And no one was using your Gladiator/Thing line of reasoning, but that didn't stop you from pulling your "characters fluctuate from scene to scene" crap.

But good job. You pretty much did exactly what I said you would.

I wasn't using Ra fighting (training) Batman to prove strength or durability. I was using it to prove skill. You can always use abc logic to prove skill. Since that's the only way to prove skill, according to you guys.

I have a problem when people equate strength feats to feats with other characters (as in the Gladiator example).

Originally posted by Silent Master
On second thought, as H1 is never going to answer my questions​, I will just go ahead and explain my point now. H1 is not the writer nor has he ever spoken with the writer, so when he says writer's intention, what he actually means is 'IMO'.

An opinion is neither true or false. "Ice cream is delicious'." is an opinion.
"The writer wanted Jimmy to be telling the truth." Is a fact.

Originally posted by h1a8
An opinion is neither true or false. "Ice cream is delicious'." is an opinion.
"The writer wanted Jimmy to be telling the truth." Is a fact.

People were once of the opinion that the Earth was flat, tell me again how opinions are neither true or false.

By the way, calling your opinion the truth does not magically transform it into the truth.

Originally posted by h1a8
I wasn't using Ra fighting (training) Batman to prove strength or durability. I was using it to prove skill. You can always use abc logic to prove skill. Since that's the only way to prove skill, according to you guys.

I have a problem when people equate strength feats to feats with other characters (as in the Gladiator example).

People were not equating strength, so stop going on about that. To give one example, in Bane vs WS, people were using WS' fights with Black Panther, Captain America and Iron Man as an example of skill. But you pulled your fluctuation shtick, like you have at various other points as well, and even tried to make the ridiculous comparison between him fighting those people and you "fighting" the Hulk (people like Robtard still called you out on it IIRC). And you were equating Bane's durability off of Batman's other strength and combat feats, doing your "he took hits from a superhuman" spiel. But according to the arguments you apply to characters you are against, Batman's power level might have been fluctuating between those different scenes, yet you never once applied that to your Bane argument. Now go ahead and make more excuses.

Originally posted by Silent Master
People were once of the opinion that the Earth was flat, tell me again how opinions are neither true or false.

By the way, calling your opinion the truth does not magically transform it into the truth.

Well, using his argument then: The writers wanted it known that Cap pushed the bulldozer faster than Deathlok did. Fact. See, anyone can do it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
People were once of the opinion that the Earth was flat, tell me again how opinions are neither true or false.

By the way, calling your opinion the truth does not magically transform it into the truth.

People were once of the belief that the earth is flat.

A fact is something that is true. An opinion is neither true nor false.

The writer wanted Jimmy to be telling the truth is a fact. If he wanted Jimmy have been lying then he would have given something in the story to show this. He didn't. Therefore, he wanted Jimmy to be telling the truth.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
People were not equating strength, so stop going on about that. To give one example, in Bane vs WS, people were using WS' fights with Black Panther, Captain America and Iron Man as an example of skill. But you pulled your fluctuation shtick, like you have at various other points as well, and even tried to make the ridiculous comparison between him fighting those people and you "fighting" the Hulk (people like Robtard still called you out on it IIRC). And you were equating Bane's durability off of Batman's other strength and combat feats, doing your "he took hits from a superhuman" spiel. But according to the arguments you apply to characters you are against, Batman's power level might have been fluctuating between those different scenes, yet you never once applied that to your Bane argument. Now go ahead and make more excuses.

A character's skill has to have a basis. That basis must lie in the ability to beat up multiple humans simultaneously.

BP fighting Cap as a peer means something. That is because Cap has beat up multiple humans simultaneously. The same goes for WS.

My argument about Bane resisting Batman while using Batman's striking feats was to combat you and others from doing it for Cap and WS. Many times I said, "using your logic" before I said the statement.

Lastly, we assume average strength (not high end) when characters are fighting characters. So whatever Batman's average strength is then that is what Bane tanked.

Originally posted by h1a8
People were once of the belief that the earth is flat.

A fact is something that is true. An opinion is neither true nor false.

The writer wanted Jimmy to be telling the truth is a fact. If he wanted Jimmy have been lying then he would have given something in the story to show this. He didn't. Therefore, he wanted Jimmy to be telling the truth.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/opinion

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a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge a person of rigid opinions

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/belief

: something that is accepted, considered to be true, or held as an opinion : something believed an individual's religious or political beliefs; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group the beliefs of the Catholic Church

Originally posted by h1a8
False, my argument was solely about strength and durability. You are making stuff up now.

A character's skill has to have a basis. That basis must lie in the ability to beat up multiple humans simultaneously.

BP fighting Cap as a peer means something. That is because Cap has beat up multiple humans simultaneously. The same goes for WS.

My argument about Bane resisting Batman while using Batman's striking feats was to combat you and others from doing it for Cap and WS. Many times I said, "using your logic" before I said the statement.

Lastly, we assume average strength (not high end) when characters are fighting characters. So whatever Batman's average strength is then that is what Bane tanked.

LOL... So, you are claiming you didn't make that ridiculous "fighting" the Hulk analogy after people pointed out that Bucky went toe to toe with Cap, BP and IM, as fighting feats? Well, if you are going to just be dishonest, then there is no point engaging you further. Whether in terms of skill or strength/durability, it's an absolutely retarded misrepresentation designed to lowball WS.

Also, you did your scaling while simultaneously trying to dismiss the examples people were giving for WS, and tried to use your one-off "Batman backhand KO'd someone" (which you have still yet to post a clip for) as your constant reference for Bane. But, like I said, if you are just going to be dishonest, there is no point in wasting more time on you.

Also, the notion that someone's skill "must" be based on beating up a group of human fodder laughable. I will give you a gold medal for some of the most epic mental gymnastics I have seen on here in a long time. Have a nice day.