Originally posted by PetrusMy argument is supported by the creators, logic, and common sense. Yours isn't. My arguments are always supported by these whereas most carry on with agendas. I am above such petty things.
Yes. Convenient arguments, Quan.You're like Lois from Malcolm in the Middle, never giving up even after the war is lost.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Maul wasn't a Sith by Rebels. And a Sith doesn't speak of himself and his enemy as one on his deathbed. 😬
Originally posted by quanchi112I do not want to spare sunrazer from seeing this so next page if you will, Quan. Why thank you Quan.
Filoni hopes the duel, and the moments after, are the perfect representation of one of the most important conflicts in all of Star Wars.“It really is to express the difference between the Jedi and the Sith. Which is the Jedi become selfless and the Sith remain selfish. When pressed, because Obi-Wan is protecting someone else in the end, he does fight. But because he is so true and knows who he is in that moment, you can’t defeat that. So Obi-Wan is going to strike down Maul because Maul is such a broken and lost person.
You don't get what the scene means, you're a joke, sunrazer.
Maul embodied the Sith whereas Kenobi embodied the Jedi in this battle. It's plain as day but since you're too dumb to get it I provided the quote. Yw, dummy.
Originally posted by TzeentchThe creator flat out says otherwise, "So Obi-Wan is going to strike down Maul because Maul is such a broken and lost person,"
Quan aside, why is it implausible that Maul simply got out-****ing-skilled. There has never been a point in the mythos where Maul was on a higher level then Obi-Wan.Not once
That's the creator telling you exactly why it occurred the manner in which it did. Fact.
In their first fight, second, and third fight. He was always better than he was.
Originally posted by PetrusNo, it isn't but this is clear the reason why
Apart from TPM, Maul and Kenobi were always roughly on the same level. But it's clear that Kenobi has progressed immensely after ROTS and that his OT self is far superior to his PT incarnation.
So Obi-Wan is going to strike down Maul because Maul is such a broken and lost person,
I am always right, Petrus. How does it feel ?
Your arguments suck, Quanchi. As almost always. It feels pretty good, tbh. Quite hilarious, your denial.
You're interpreting the author's statements in a very convenient way for Maul, yet I remember you bashing me and other people for taking Filoni's comments at face-value prior to this. You're such a hypocrite, lol.
Originally posted by PetrusI just quoted the reason the creator of the fight gave for why it went down that way. Your denial of Filoni's own words over his own work is hilarious. Over his own work it's fine. But over a theoretical fight that isn't canon it's just his opinion.
Your arguments suck, Quanchi. As almost always. It feels pretty good, tbh. Quite hilarious, your denial.You're interpreting the author's statements in a very convenient way for Maul, yet I remember you bashing me and other people for taking Filoni's comments at face-value prior to this. You're such a hypocrite, lol.
Huh? You were saying Filoni's opinions and whatever he said regarding Rebels is shit and not valid. Now you're taking his words at face-value. Hypocrite.
And no. You're conveniently interpreting what's been said of this duel to aid Maul's case that he wasn't destroyed by Kenobi. Which he was.
You proclaming that you're not biased towards Maul is probably one of the most blatant lies I've seen on these boards, kek.
Originally posted by PetrusYou are not grasping what I'm saying. His opinion only matters over canon work he's involved with. Every fight on his shows his opinion matters since he created the fights and was involved there. But if you ask him who wins over Yoda and Sidious that's only his opinion since the two characters never met up in a real world duel on either show to this point. Do you get it now ?
Huh? You were saying Filoni's opinions and whatever he said regarding Rebels is shit and not valid. Now you're taking his words at face-value. Hypocrite.And no. You're conveniently interpreting what's been said of this duel to aid Maul's case that he wasn't destroyed by Kenobi. Which he was.
You proclaming that you're not biased towards Maul is probably one of the most blatant lies I've seen on these boards, kek.
Comic book debaters have established the difference years ago but you're probably some dumb kid who sees it as all the same.
I am going by the creator of a canon fight. If he muses on Vader vs. Windu it also doesn't matter since he's never created a fight that is canon between the two therefore it's just his opinion on how it would go down.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You are not grasping what I'm saying. His opinion only matters over canon work he's involved with. Every fight on his shows his opinion matters since he created the fights and was involved there. But if you ask him who wins over Yoda and Sidious that's only his opinion since the two characters never met up in a real world duel on either show to this point. Do you get it now ?
Are you kidding me right now?
The argument we were having where you bashed me and others like Beni for taking it seriously, he was actually talking about Ahsoka's power, a character whom he was developing at that time, in a series he produces and directs.
Your cherry-picking is getting ridiculous.
By being the executive producer and director of Rebels, he has direct control over how characters fight and how their power is displayed. Sure, there are obvious do's and don't's, but what you're doing right now is incredibly hypocritical.
Originally posted by PetrusWhen have I ever denied his opinion of canon events he oversaw ??
Are you kidding me right now?The argument we were having where you bashed me and others like Beni for taking it seriously, he was actually talking about Ahsoka's power, a character whom he was developing at that time, in a series he produces and directs.
Your cherry-picking is getting ridiculous.
By being the executive producer and director of Rebels, he has direct control over how characters fight and how their power is displayed. Sure, there are obvious do's and don't's, but what you're doing right now is incredibly hypocritical.
His musings on characters outside the facts are just his opinion. If he says Tano crushes Sidious and it never sees the light of day it's just his opinion. This isn't rocket science. Paul Jenkins the creator of the marvel comic book Sentry said he'd crush Thor in under five seconds. That never saw print so it is just his opinion. The fact never happened under his pen to become canon.
I deny nothing and accept the facts. Always. Give me a specific example. Your generalizations and incoherence are not legitimate points.
Originally posted by Petrus
Apart from TPM, Maul and Kenobi were always roughly on the same level. But it's clear that Kenobi has progressed immensely after ROTS and that his OT self is far superior to his PT incarnation.
Yes. This exactly.
One great thing about reviving Maul was we got to gauge Kenobi's abilities and progress between films much better.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66Or in TCW S4 Finale when Kenobi remarked that he was outmatched? 😬
you could call that a wash because maul was rusty, but to actually use that fight to argue maul is more skilled than kenobi is asinine. And there's also what happened next episode, where kenobi simultaneously outdueled(and yes feloni not only calls it a kenobi victory but also says the duo couldn't beat kenobi's skill) oppress+maul despite having to use a secondary form due to facing multiple opponents.(and as feloni himself has confirmed, as well as kenobi replicating thi smultiple times throughout the mythos and stating his own ability to do this), kenobi's "focus amp" wasn't circumstantial.
Arguing taht tcw maul=tcw kenobi as a duelist is like trying to say that tcw kenobi=tcw maul as a force user. Except worse, because while
maul's showings had circumstances favoring them, and kenobi has had a degree of success tking bothj maul and oppress without circumstances, kenobi's succes as aduelist had circumstances hindering him,
Feloni has already confirmed that maul and kenobi as of their fight in rebels had progressed as duelists from tcw, so argung that maul is pre prime or inferior(let alone "heads and shoulders"😉 inferior is just bs. This is in addition to witwer's comments regarding maul combatively in season 2.
Maul losing due to his inferior emotional state doesn't change that.
Its also stupid to act as if this indicates that kenobi is out of maul's league or to use the showing to crap on maul because feloni has made abundantly clear the shortness of the fight was for storytelling purposes, not combative purposes.
So is kenobi>maul yes, but to use this fight and argue that kenobi could stomp maul in the context of a normal sw battle is just dumb. Just as its dumb to try to argue that maul isn't as of his ;prime here when feloni makes clear that maul is superior to his tcw self which was part of why kenobi and maul's fight were so short.
Originally posted by RockydonovangThat doesn't mean they were in their primes. Their primes were the pt era. They got wiser and learned more in their old age. They weren't more crapanle duelists in their waning years.
Feloni has already confirmed that maul and kenobi as of their fight in rebels had progressed as duelists from tcw, so argung that maul is pre prime or inferior(let alone "heads and shoulders"😉 inferior is just bs. This is in addition to witwer's comments regarding maul combatively in season 2.Maul losing due to his inferior emotional state doesn't change that.
Its also stupid to act as if this indicates that kenobi is out of maul's league or to use the showing to crap on maul because feloni has made abundantly clear the shortness of the fight was for storytelling purposes, not combative purposes.
So is kenobi>maul yes, but to use this fight and argue that kenobi could stomp maul in the context of a normal sw battle is just dumb. Just as its dumb to try to argue that maul isn't as of his ;prime here when feloni makes clear that maul is superior to his tcw self which was part of why kenobi and maul's fight were so short.
Maul lost due to his emotional state. Filoni said so.
At their best Maul is better than Kenobi. Nothing indicates neither were at their best. Don't be disingenuous.