This quote - legit or no?

Started by Geistalt14 pages

Wrong.

C-canon is primarily composed of elements from the Expanded Universe including books, comics, and games bearing the label of Star Wars. Games and RPG sourcebooks are a special case; the stories and general background information are themselves fully C-canon.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
(Neither of which are canon even ignoring this quote).

Both are. The Nihilus one is as direct as you can get.

Tbh, I'm finding Nova's alternative interpretation quite convincing.

@Geistalt - That was neither a story nor "background information".

Originally posted by SunRazer
Both are. The Nihilus one is as direct as you can get.

No? Nothing states Mace > Revan, especially not Dooku > Revan.

And no, obviously not, or else Meetra wouldn't later be saying Revan > Nihilus, lmfao.

Originally posted by Azronger
Tbh, I'm finding Nova's alternative interpretation quite convincing.

You mean the alternative interpretation that is just substituting words in for other words that don't translate? 😬

This quote with Revan is far more direct than the Droma quotes, at the very least.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No? Nothing states Mace > Revan, especially not Dooku > Revan.

Revan walked the Temple; Mace is more powerful. And Dooku's more powerful than TPM Mace per Yoda and the Council in DR.

And no, obviously not, or else Meetra wouldn't later be saying Revan > Nihilus, lmfao.

Different Nihilus.

In-game, she, Kreia and the Jedi Masters have a unanimous verdict that Nihilus is far more powerful than Revan, and in this case, both the subject and the object of the quote are portrayed accurately, unlike in the novel. 😂

Originally posted by Geistalt
Wrong.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
If you had a point here, it was lost in translation.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Revan walked the Temple; Mace is more powerful. And Dooku's more powerful than TPM Mace per Yoda and the Council in DR.

De Agostini literally said the quote doesn't apply to Revan.

Different Nihilus.

In-game, she, Kreia and the Jedi Masters have a unanimous verdict that Nihilus is far more powerful than Revan, and in this case, both the subject and the object of the quote are portrayed accurately, unlike in the novel. 😂

Last time I checked, Nihilus didn't clone himself.

No they don't, lmfao.

1. No. He misinterpreted your question and said that newly published information retcons the quote, which is obvious. Quotes don't have statutes of limitations or expiry dates.

2. He didn't, but Nihilus as of the novel is a post-JCW renegade Jedi who followed Traya the entire time and assisted in a campaign that eliminated "tens of thousands" of Jedi. 😂

Drew's referring to his imaginary version of Nihilus that's wildly different from the one in KotOR II. There's no reason to seriously take it as applying to the KotOR II incarnation. That aside, it says "command of the Force", and there's legitimate arguments that can be made to exclude Nihilus from such a quote.

3. No they don't what? They all say he's far more powerful than anybody they've known. I have the quotes.

Originally posted by SunRazer
That was neither a story nor "background information".
Yes, it was.

Doesn't matter, considering everyone (myself included) ranks them all by feats, anyways.

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. No. He misinterpreted your question and said that newly published information retcons the quote, which is obvious. Quotes don't have statutes of limitations or expiry dates.

2. He didn't, but Nihilus as of the novel is a post-JCW renegade Jedi who followed Traya the entire time and assisted in a campaign that eliminated "tens of thousands" of Jedi. 😂

3. No they don't what? They all say he's far more powerful than anybody they've known. I have the quotes.


False on all accounts, but we've debated all of this before, and I'm not interested in repeating myself.

@Ant - Yeah, you ran away each time we had those debates.

In case somebody's curious, I have the quotes from KotOR II. For Kreia:

“One cannot have power of that magnitude and still think and perceive the universe as we do."

-- Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

Clearly Revan still perceives the universe "as we do", whereas Nihilus has transceded that.

For the Exile, these are her initial impressions of Nihilus' power:

"I don't understand how he hasn't conquered the galaxy with that kind of power."

"How can anyone have that kind of power?"

"His power is difficult to believe."

"How is he able to perform such slaughter?"

"That kind of power is impossible."

-- Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

And when she meets Nihilus in person she realizes that he's far more powerful than that (this is also an objective quote, which means it's not just a character opinion putting Nihilus over Revan):

{Gameplay Programmer: Nihilus turns, raises his hand, and the entire party is raised into the air, similar to Force Crush. He speaks, his voice roaring, and the player should realize that Nihilus is FAR more powerful than they had believed.

-- Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

For the Jedi Masters:

At the last Jedi conclave on the Miraluka world of Katarr, the entire planet was wiped out. An entire race, destroyed... because the Jedi chose to gather there. It was only then that we realized we were facing something far more powerful than we knew how to fight.

[quote]-- Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords[/b]

Originally posted by Beniboybling
No friend, you play with the miniatures. Which are sometimes packaged with background information about the miniatures,
Examples?

Originally posted by SunRazer
@Ant - Yeah, you ran away each time we had those debates.

No? Just you were ignoring my quotes because you thought there was some Nihilus clone, lmfao.

There's no clone, just Drew's wildly different and inaccurate depiction of Nihilus. He doesn't even know what he's writing about. Tens of thousands of Jedi being slaughtered? Nihilus/Sion being post-JCW renegade Jedi? The Exile nearly losing her mind over something she's experienced for a decade? Give me a break.

Contrast that to KotOR II, which depicts Darth Revan accurately (heck, it establishes a lot about his backstory and gives him a lot of his best hype). And yet it's still repeatedly made clear in the game that Nihilus is far more powerful.

In other words, you can't get over the fact that Mr. A$shole Karpyshyn retconned KotOR II into frivolity.

I can't, not really. Regardless, if Karpyshyn retcons KotOR II into frivolity, then his quote only to that frivolous retcon of KotOR II, not KotOR II itself 👆

Originally posted by SunRazer
There's no clone, just Drew's wildly different and inaccurate depiction of Nihilus. He doesn't even know what he's writing about. Tens of thousands of Jedi being slaughtered? Nihilus/Sion being post-JCW renegade Jedi? The Exile nearly losing her mind over something she's experienced for a decade? Give me a break.

Contrast that to KotOR II, which depicts Darth Revan accurately (heck, it establishes a lot about his backstory and gives him a lot of his best hype). And yet it's still repeatedly made clear in the game that Nihilus is far more powerful.


Yeah, you're literally just ignoring sources.

Just like Drew when he wrote the book. 👆

Almost every one of his comments relating to KotOR II in the novel are dead wrong, if not all of them.